Posts by no-zombie

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Hailstone message AND everyone will be saved? Questions

by slimboyfat in

i’ve not been paying close attention to watchtower developments, but talking to a jw yesterday it occurred to me the society (yes, still use that term - old school) have been sending out mixed messages in recent years.

from what i gather, a few years ago the gb announced that during the great tribulation jws would be required to preach a “hailstone message of judgement” which involved telling people it was too late for them to repent and they were definitely going to be destroyed.

there were hints that this could be very soon, “any day now” preaching could stop and the hailstone message come in, kind of thing.

no-zombie

The 'Hailstone message' is an interpretation of one or two verses at best. And I have always seen it as a warning not for worldly people, but just as another tool to scare Witnesses into not leaving the Organization.

Just as we were days away from Armageddon, then minutes and now seconds ... the Governing Body has fewer and fewer hyperboles left, to convince the Brotherhood as to the nearness of the end. Thus the appearance of this 'understanding' about a message of judgement.

But what good would it do, if it was real anyway. The telling billions of people that no matter what they do, they are soon going to die by having the flesh melt from there faces or by having their bodies crushed by oversized hail ... that is a thing that Satan would gleefully say.

No ... we are not going to hear anymore about the 'Hailstone message' if the Governing Body wants to portray their Faith as a kinder, more humanistic religion to attract the masses. Its just not compatible, with the new direction they feel the spirit is leading them.

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New approach to ministry

by Mikejw in

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there is a new approach to ministry where the direction is to just talk to people and listen to what they want to talk about.

the new school for the midweek meeting is completely different and is all about the new approach .

even before the no reporting changes field service dropped right off.

no-zombie

Imagine the conversation between Mr. Worldlyperson and Ms. Worldlyperson, after she met a couple of Witnesses in the park.

"Hi Honey, back from the park."

"How was your walk."

"Great, I met a couple of nice girls down there and had a chat."

"What did you talk about?"

"Oh not much, the weather, the flowers ... that kind of stuff."

"Who were they?"

"Don't know"

"Anyway, glad you had a good time"

Yep ... that how its going to go.

We've gone down from a 5 scripture 10 minute talk, to a 3 scripture 5 minute chat, then a 1 minute video, to now a 15 second happy smile.

How is this going to teach anyone anything? Its not going too,of course.

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Does anyone have .... ?

by no-zombie in

does anyone have a good pdf of the 1989 questions young people ask, they could share?

you know ... the one with the deleted kid on the front..

no-zombie

Thanks for your effort Atlantis, but I was looking for the version that showed the Anglo-saxion boy, who was latter swapped out by an Asian one. Its quite hard for find a PDF of it ... and I'm reasonably skilled at finding stuff online.

Thanks again, though.

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Does anyone have .... ?

by no-zombie in

does anyone have a good pdf of the 1989 questions young people ask, they could share?

you know ... the one with the deleted kid on the front..

no-zombie

Does anyone have a good PDF of the 1989 Questions Young People Ask, they could share? You know ... the one with the deleted kid on the front.

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The First Holocaust

by nicolaou in

please, please ignore all the scientific impossibilities here, that's not what this topic is about.. let's make the assumption as many christians do that the bible is historically accurate.

the noachian flood actually happened a little less than 4,500 years ago after which eight adults stepped off the ark to repopulate the planet.. that means that approximately 60 million lives had been snuffed out, a holocaust by anyone's estimation.

as if that isn't horrific enough just think about the babies, toddlers and young children god killed.. he drowned all of them, every single one.

no-zombie

The more that I think about this topic and the way various people have commented on it, has made me reflect on something, which I'd like to share.

Its is a well known political concept that, national leaders (with their weakness, their strengths and their base personalities) are a rather accurate reflection of the people they govern, as a whole. Which breaks the basic democratic concept, that anyone could be President or Prime-Minister of their country.

For example ex. President Trump would never be elected, even to the Australian lower house of parliament as a minister, because his antics are so against the Australian national culture, that no one would tolerate him. Similarly, I couldn't I see someone like the very British, Boris Johnson becoming the US president, but he's not what Americans are.

And if this is actually true, can this concept not also apply to the God's people worship? Maybe it can be.

I've always thought about the disconnect between the God of the OT and the God, Jesus talked about in the NT. How could one be happy to arrange for the deaths of millions, eradicate whole nations and burn individuals with fire, in one period ... and then turn into a God of love and peace in another?

My conclusion is that, because the ancient Israelites were basically a collection of warring tribes (probably little better than their Canaanite neighbors), their god Yahweh, had to be a mighty warrior god, to bless their efforts of conquest. But latter in the Roman times, bathing in Greek enlightenment, many people began to accept a more peaceful deity ... because they themselves, were more peaceful.

The same thought experiment could be applied to the warring Inca peoples and their Sun God, who demanded the beating hearts of freshly killed human sacrifices.

Perhaps God didn't make us in his image ... we made God in ours.

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A special video has been released to assist people who have experienced child sexual abuse within the Jehovah's Witnesses in Australia

by jwleaks in

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article.

https://saysorry.org/2024/02/19/jehovahs-witnesses-and-the-australian-national-redress-scheme/.

video.

no-zombie

I wonder if the Australian Government will require this video to be shown at congregational meetings. It needs to be ... and It would go a long way to properly publicly open up this topic to the Australian Brotherhood.

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Just had a thought…

by Vidiot in

i been reading quite a few experiences on reddit lately, and their seems to be a common theme coming up….

…dialed-up-to-eleven shunning of xjws by their witness relatives.. it reminds me of back in the day, listening to some of the over-the-top vitriol displayed by hard-core loyalists when the topic of evolution or apostates came up….

…i was gobsmacked when i finally realized these guys weren’t offended and indignant because they thought it was lies….

no-zombie

Its like a woman who leaves her husband for some Chad, only to get dumped ... and then going ape s**t, when she learns that her former husband has moved on with his life, happy with a younger partner.

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The secret 10 year plan to save the watchtower .

by gavindlt in

https://youtu.be/pszy22hzj8o.

new light?.

https://www.dadseekingtruth.com/.

no-zombie

The Governing Body now can do and say what they like ... and the Brotherhood will accept it in all joy, if it good news. But the will be few who have lost family and friends, due to the Blood issue and those who have suicided over their disfellowshiping, that will be totally crushed. How will these ones cope, when they fully understand the treachery of the Organization. I just don't know.

How sad its that they too, will just be viewed as the collateral damage, for the greater good.

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The secret 10 year plan to save the watchtower .

by gavindlt in

https://youtu.be/pszy22hzj8o.

new light?.

https://www.dadseekingtruth.com/.

no-zombie

Thanks for the link gavindit

If this is true and the Governing Body considers the options from such private consulting firms, it will be a bitter pill for them to swallow. And it would be no wonder that the old timer Tony Morris pull the pin ... but a rude awakening for the newbies, Fleegle and Winder ... when they finally understand the GB just makes up the rules on the go

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The secret 10 year plan to save the watchtower!

by gavindlt in

i would not put this past the corporation at all!

yes this is at the root of there new light.

it’s called compromise.

no-zombie

I'm just not convinced that the Governing Body is smart enough, to see the urgency in reforming the Church. Because when you see the various performances of the GB members, quite honestly, its dismal.

Jackson's go at the Australian Royal Commission, Splane's attempt to convince us of the 'Generations' prophecy, Herd's southern farm stories, and all the others ... just don't seem to inspire confidence in their intellectual ability.

To save the Jehovah's Witness movement from its slow death, more is needed that just tinkering around the edges and throwing out a few pieces of candy ... its got to be enough for worldly people to take notice.