And with Refiners Fire, I rest my case.
But I still admit we do make choices.
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what kind of mind-control ?
by grace4u ini need help in finding out just what kind of mind control the jw's use on their members.
i have never been a jw, and need some specifics on this to help my sister, who is a jw.. just what kind of fear tactics did they instill upon you, and other ways of mind controlling?.
i know all the doctrines from research i have done, but not really sure on the specific things they said to keep you in, not listen to outsiders, and fear from leaving the orginization.. you all are so helpful in these posts, and i know you all will give me some great info.. thanks so much, grace4u
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what kind of mind-control ?
by grace4u ini need help in finding out just what kind of mind control the jw's use on their members.
i have never been a jw, and need some specifics on this to help my sister, who is a jw.. just what kind of fear tactics did they instill upon you, and other ways of mind controlling?.
i know all the doctrines from research i have done, but not really sure on the specific things they said to keep you in, not listen to outsiders, and fear from leaving the orginization.. you all are so helpful in these posts, and i know you all will give me some great info.. thanks so much, grace4u
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Most all cults use mind control of some form. It's not blame shifting. It's a common thread.
Although, I will say, that we do have choices. I made the choice to leave, suffered the consequences and started a whole new life.
Guess I buy into both theories, if that's what you'd call them.
But, Porky, it was the POINT in Hanibal and a failed attempt to lighten the conversation. chill out!
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what kind of mind-control ?
by grace4u ini need help in finding out just what kind of mind control the jw's use on their members.
i have never been a jw, and need some specifics on this to help my sister, who is a jw.. just what kind of fear tactics did they instill upon you, and other ways of mind controlling?.
i know all the doctrines from research i have done, but not really sure on the specific things they said to keep you in, not listen to outsiders, and fear from leaving the orginization.. you all are so helpful in these posts, and i know you all will give me some great info.. thanks so much, grace4u
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grace4u,
I think DJ and Valis are right on. Not sure what you know at this point, but you're sucked into this world that tells you that you and you alone are right AND that everyone else is out to get you because they are tools of Satan (by 'out to get you' I mean in the "bad association" sense of the phrase). You're told that your true family are your fellow JW's. That your biological family, your old friends, they are not your true friends and family. So they have you cut off most, if not all ties, with those who are not JW's. Now that you are surrounded by your TRUE friends you certainly wouldn't want to sin in some way that cause you to be disfellowshipped and lose all of your real friends and family. Because who would you turn to for support, comfort, friendship? Your old friends? Your old family? I don't think so, at least that's what they hope for. They "don't want to punish" you, they want to shock you into the reality of your sin so that you'll want to repent and come back into fellowship with them following approval from the local body of elders.
You're told that once you're in the organization that that is when you are TRULY happy. That there is no real happiness outside the JW's. You hear it so much that you eventually believe it. OR, in my case you grow up being told that you cannot possibly be happy without this 'life'.
I'd say, Pork Chop, that's a bit of mind control that's incredibly effective. It worked for Hitler and Manson. OH! and for Hanibal Lechter too.
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Edited by - fluttergirl2 on 12 October 2002 19:52:37
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Hey there! I'm a newbie too. Enjoy the stay.
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Christmas Aint Jesus's Birthday
by comforter injesus was not born on december 25. that is not his birthday.
why is this day observed as jesus's birthday?
because some christians thought it was fine to mingle christianity with paganism.
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nameless one...
Clearly everyone in the room thinks your an idiot. The fact that you can't even use anything close to proper grammar is not helping your situation either. I mean, my God, I was raised in the south too, but even I have the sense to shut up when I clearly look stupid.
I came here because I knew that folks like you wouldn't be here to argue. Go back to your "kingdom hall"...
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welcome to me, another newbie
by fluttergirl2 inhello all.. i've visited here a time or two but this is the first time i've posted.
been out for five years now.
left because i realized i was expected to be perfect and that just wasn't gonna happen.
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Hey, Jack2...
so why do you stay?
I mean you obviously see that some things are just not right. I'm an all or nothing person. So I have no concept of what you're doing. Forgive me. Please explain.
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welcome to me, another newbie
by fluttergirl2 inhello all.. i've visited here a time or two but this is the first time i've posted.
been out for five years now.
left because i realized i was expected to be perfect and that just wasn't gonna happen.
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Thanks for telling me about that convention. I had no idea such a thing existed.
Good to know I'm not alone in this stuff.
Thanks to all for making me feel so extemely welcome!!! (even you Jack2!)
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welcome to me, another newbie
by fluttergirl2 inhello all.. i've visited here a time or two but this is the first time i've posted.
been out for five years now.
left because i realized i was expected to be perfect and that just wasn't gonna happen.
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you got it, out4good.
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welcome to me, another newbie
by fluttergirl2 inhello all.. i've visited here a time or two but this is the first time i've posted.
been out for five years now.
left because i realized i was expected to be perfect and that just wasn't gonna happen.
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Francios,
Thanks for the clarity. I had just been surfing around before I posted and was really surprised at the number JW friendly conversations I saw. Let's face it: it's a cult. You know that, I can see.
I'm glad to be at home here.
Thanks to you all for making me feel welcome!!!!
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welcome to me, another newbie
by fluttergirl2 inhello all.. i've visited here a time or two but this is the first time i've posted.
been out for five years now.
left because i realized i was expected to be perfect and that just wasn't gonna happen.
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Wow! you are all so friendly. I'm admittedly fearful of more ostracism once you know more about me, but here goes:
I told you I left five years ago. When I left (this is the really short version) I realized that most everything I'd been taught growing up about my 'faith' was a lie. So, upon leaving, I became agnostic for a few years. I knew there must have been something that put us here, but I didn't want to believe it was God...no...let me re-phrase that. I didn't want to believe it was Jehovah. So I threw out everything.
My search resumed relatively fruitlessly for a while. Now (again REALLY short version) I have become a born again Christian. I attend two churches (strange I know). One is Baptist. Not crazy about their theology, but my husband doesn't want to leave there yet. The other is basically just a reformed church. Their theology is right on target. By reformed, of course, I mean in line with the Reformation Movement, your John Calvin and Martin Luthers of the the world. I take the Bible very literally. It's so nice to be able to take it at face value instead of having everything interpreted for me and not being able to question. I have questioned till my hearts content and will continue to do say of everything that is told to me.
I guess I came here, more than anything, to see if there were other former JW's on the same path as me.
I'm up for theological discussions, but not with Witnesses. It's not worth the arguement. Sorry if that offends, but I've been where you are and arguing is moot since you don't believe you can be wrong, being guided by a group of power hungry men and all.
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