Thank you all guys!
It's nice to be with your company.
oh! waking up!
We should start one to find out who has the weirdest wake up call...!
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I'm New... and I'm running...
by running_away init's some kind of funny... i was the perfect little ass, even that i never believe it all.. there was something that doesn't sound right... but, i was little, i was with my family, i never believe that my family will make me adopt a cult.
well i get batized in my mid teen years, i was the exemplar, ms at 19, even serve my time at bethel.
get married to a pioneer, start a spiritual family, get my 2 kids.
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I'm running... and I need help! (UK people)
by running_away in... don't worry, i dont need money or house or food or anything (ok, maybe a coffee).
don't need hospitality... i need information.. .
heeeeeeellllppp!.
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jg: We love Canada, but we are Europeans. And maybe we cant handle de one million below zero temperature :)
I hope to find a social congo not too much spiritual with a lot of kids.
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I'm running... and I need help! (UK people)
by running_away in... don't worry, i dont need money or house or food or anything (ok, maybe a coffee).
don't need hospitality... i need information.. .
heeeeeeellllppp!.
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Big: Thanks!
Ann: I know... but I will have to be "still in" for a time... She will not wake up becuase the social aspect, she is smarter. But, as I need one more year, I preffer to be a little bit better than those grey, super spiritual congos...
It's like be in jail "doing my time", I want to be in a better jail.
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I'm running... and I need help! (UK people)
by running_away in... don't worry, i dont need money or house or food or anything (ok, maybe a coffee).
don't need hospitality... i need information.. .
heeeeeeellllppp!.
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People, don't leave me alone!
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I'm running... and I need help! (UK people)
by running_away in... don't worry, i dont need money or house or food or anything (ok, maybe a coffee).
don't need hospitality... i need information.. .
heeeeeeellllppp!.
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Yep, Now I know how to see the PMs.
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I'm running... and I need help! (UK people)
by running_away in... don't worry, i dont need money or house or food or anything (ok, maybe a coffee).
don't need hospitality... i need information.. .
heeeeeeellllppp!.
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... don't worry, I dont need money or house or food or anything (ok, maybe a coffee). Don't need hospitality... I need information.
Heeeeeeellllppp!
We are thinking into moving to UK, and I need "spiritual" information. We are moving my wife and 2 kids. We are thinking in the south london down to south hampton and to the east... that area (not so far from london). In December.
The thing is: does anybody can tell me where I can find one of those family friendly congos, more to get toguether and less to preach? Come on! there has to be one, just one cool cong. Is somebody recently out or still in from that area? or somebody that knows somebody?
I will need to be "in" for at least one more year, because of my wife (I had reading that is a common problem, right?). So, I want to be in a nice cong in the meantime.
This is a looooong history. I will tell to the person who shares a coffee with me (in exchange of info). Everybody else will stay with the doubts! :)
Please PM me.
(where I can see my PMs?)
Thank you! this information will save my life (and problably my family).
Thank you!
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I'm New... and I'm running...
by running_away init's some kind of funny... i was the perfect little ass, even that i never believe it all.. there was something that doesn't sound right... but, i was little, i was with my family, i never believe that my family will make me adopt a cult.
well i get batized in my mid teen years, i was the exemplar, ms at 19, even serve my time at bethel.
get married to a pioneer, start a spiritual family, get my 2 kids.
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Thank you Ann, Lou, Fernando...
jgnat:
I remember thinking that the bible says than Paul only become a christian AFTER being made blind... what? no one of the other christians that he has prosecute never atempt to preach him? Of course, but only a miracle was the "click" that move him... And now? we will make "clicks" in the people with... a magazine?
I made that paul question some time ago to my wife... she keeps quiet, but she is soooooooooo sleeping that it's better to let her alone in the meantime we made other changes. I love her so much, I don't want her pass that big deppresion stage. So, in the meantime if she wants to sleep, I will bring her another pillow.
But, of course, we miss a lot of meetings because of the kids and work, sometimes I go alone, in the weekends I go to the "preaching work" (alone, hehe), to make her do the minimun of the minimum. No regular study, no family study. We have about two years of this.
I told her in one opportunity and... you have to see it! she cries, she throw me my marriage photos, she scream. That was a really intense week! It was so overeacting that I preffer to tell her that I was to resolve my "doubts", that there is no need to worried, that everything is going to be ok. Still that was a far worse reaction that I was expecting... why?
In the next week she told me that she was pregnant! Lesson: never fight hormones and a cult at the same time because you will never win!
That was a couple of years ago. So I let her and we are "still in", at least a little. Yes, I take a lot of coffee in the weekends!
Now, let's move and then I will try again.
It's a cult. But you can learn to use their same tools too!
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I'm New... and I'm running...
by running_away init's some kind of funny... i was the perfect little ass, even that i never believe it all.. there was something that doesn't sound right... but, i was little, i was with my family, i never believe that my family will make me adopt a cult.
well i get batized in my mid teen years, i was the exemplar, ms at 19, even serve my time at bethel.
get married to a pioneer, start a spiritual family, get my 2 kids.
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quick information:
My wife is still sleeping. The sleeping beauty. We are "still in" because we are too close of both family, and in the first time my wife didn't react very well. So, I am waiting to first: moving away from family and everything, and then wake her up as gently as I can.
She is very smart, but also very emotional... and the Wt always has the perfect excuse! She spot several problems, but she thinks that the problems is not the religion, but the people in this country.
And that's why I'm running... to be free I have to start in other place, without family or friends pressure. So, let's move to another country!
Yes... you will hear a scream of help from me later...
So yes... sadly still in but awake for 5 years.
I'm running... and I will need help!
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I'm New... and I'm running...
by running_away init's some kind of funny... i was the perfect little ass, even that i never believe it all.. there was something that doesn't sound right... but, i was little, i was with my family, i never believe that my family will make me adopt a cult.
well i get batized in my mid teen years, i was the exemplar, ms at 19, even serve my time at bethel.
get married to a pioneer, start a spiritual family, get my 2 kids.
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running_away
Hello All!
Thank you for your welcome! It was very nice.
Let me try to answer..
okage: If I can ask, did you read any specific books or articles that can be used by those who frequent this site but have yet to make an appearance?
Yes, the proclaimers book. All that any JW needs to read to awake is the proclaimers book. Also, I was reading the bible and really really, the JW are more like the pharisees. The problem with the average JW (all we included) is that we don't read very much, and when we do it, we never think in what we are reading. I was fully awake even before the first lines of my first apostate book.
schmelder: the image that stuck with me is the body of a 4 years old kid still with a little chocolate cake in the mouth... and David in the distance, talking about how great is god because he forgive him because inmorality and murder and whatever he does...
Cofty: Thank you! A coffee one of these days?
ding: That was my first book. I read it in 3 or 4 days. I was readed his wikipedia page, and was a little curious of what he have to say, and how. My first impression was that the redaction is the same (wording) that a Watchtower magazine. Nobody else notice it?
After I finished, I read each and every single link of jwfacts. And then went to confirm some of the fonts, do my own math in the stats, research the net looking for mistakes of the site... Paul, you make a really nice job. A big thank you to you.
Happytobefree: Kids are not indoctrinated, that why they are clever than us (I feel like an old man). I will thank my boy forever. And yes, I remember the exact place where my kid ask me... I almost crash the car!
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I'm New... and I'm running...
by running_away init's some kind of funny... i was the perfect little ass, even that i never believe it all.. there was something that doesn't sound right... but, i was little, i was with my family, i never believe that my family will make me adopt a cult.
well i get batized in my mid teen years, i was the exemplar, ms at 19, even serve my time at bethel.
get married to a pioneer, start a spiritual family, get my 2 kids.
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running_away
It's some kind of funny... I was the perfect little ass, even that I never believe it all.
There was something that doesn't sound right... but, I was little, I was with my Family, I never believe that my Family will make me adopt a cult. Nobody does, right?
Well I get batized in my mid teen years, I was the exemplar, MS at 19, even serve my time at Bethel. Get married to a Pioneer, start a spiritual family, get my 2 kids. All normal.
Almost normal: I love to read, and I spoted several contradictions (blood, oral sex, preaching). But everything to the backburn, in the back of my brain. But one day...
I wasn driving my 4 years old to the school one day, and talking about the birthdays and he hit me with the most rational perfect question that anybody can do at any parent: "will Jehovah kill all my friends? they do celebrate the birthdays!"
I didn't answer. Why should a loving God kill other 26 pretty kids? because they ate birthday cake? because they share gifts? just for that? So, David was safe, but the other 4 years old deserve death.
Anyone who is a father knows that we can't let a fly come close to our kids because safety... what about killing our own kids? Why? will jehovah will my son's classmates?
I never believe that my father deserve death, he is far better person than several JW... even better than me.
But what open my mind was the simple question that my son made... it hit... And it hurts.
I know that my best friend was not very well. We are not in the same country, he was an elder and we talked about the religion and JW believes. But all normal.
I asked him. In a Morpheus moment (The Matrix movie) he said: "you have to find it for yourself". Not very helpful, but I understand: In this cult world everybody can be "an agent".
And I read... and read... and hit hard the 1914 thing... and before touch the first apostate reading I was sure that there was something smelly in the room. Maybe this was not the only truth religion... or maybe it was my other kid diapers...
So, in a few weeks I open my Eyes. A long time ago now. But still in, beacuse of my family... And now I will run...
Oh yes! the first thing is going out this place, take my wife and kids and run away from this place, from this people, the family and everybody and start again!