running_away
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Crisis of Conscience and the preaching work with WT literature
by losingit in"it is interesting to contrast the deliberate elimination of prayers andsongs at witness meetings in mexico with the action of the watchtower society in the united states, where they were willing to fightcase after case all the way up to the supreme court of the countryrather than give up certain practices, such as offering literature fromdoor to door without a license and without having to register withthe police, the right to use sound cars, distribute literature on streetcorners, and many other such practices which are covered byconstitutional rights.
the organization did not want to relinquish anyof these things.
it fought to hold on to them, even though theseparticular practices are certainly not things that were done by earlychristians in the first century and hence cannot be counted as amongprimary christian practices.".
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Crisis of Conscience and the preaching work with WT literature
by losingit in"it is interesting to contrast the deliberate elimination of prayers andsongs at witness meetings in mexico with the action of the watchtower society in the united states, where they were willing to fightcase after case all the way up to the supreme court of the countryrather than give up certain practices, such as offering literature fromdoor to door without a license and without having to register withthe police, the right to use sound cars, distribute literature on streetcorners, and many other such practices which are covered byconstitutional rights.
the organization did not want to relinquish anyof these things.
it fought to hold on to them, even though theseparticular practices are certainly not things that were done by earlychristians in the first century and hence cannot be counted as amongprimary christian practices.".
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How can one understand unusual personal experiences such as when going from door-to-door?
by Fernando ingiven that i know how corrupt, dishonest and evil the watchtower is, i have wondered how to understand a personal experience i had many years ago - long before walking out mid-2009.. after an unusual series of many "co-incidences" on a particular sunday, my friend and i ended up at the door of someone who had been praying to god for someone to be sent to him, and who was expecting us.. i am still convinced it was by divine intervention, but cannot understand why a prayer is answered by sending representatives of an apostate organisation.. also when taking up residence in a foreign country, under very difficult circumstances, i twice ended up "inadvertently" moving in to homes just around the corner from the kh.
on one occasion it was about a 15 metre walk from my front door right into my seat in the kh!.
have you had similar experiences?.
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running_away
You are conting ONLY what you want to count..
If you move 100 times AND all times you front door is in exactly 15 metters to your seat in a kigndom hall, then it should mean something.
If not.. you are just looking at what you want to look.
Confirmation Bias.
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What rumors have you heard about yourself since leaving?
by donny ingood morning all,.
i have had the opportunity over the last couple of years to speak with a couple of jw's who had either attended the same congregation i did or were married to someone who to the same one.
for the record, i disassociated myself in 1992 due to being followed around by an elder or two who had heard that i had ray franz's "crisis of conscience" in my possession.
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materialism... and pride because I am not yet an elder...
Funny thing: I'm still in, and the elders doesn't just gossip, they told me that at my face!
I'm just running!
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The cherry on top of a crap year
by new22day ina self indulgent post - just need to vent.
i've had a year... spent two years dating my ex jw bf and spending way too much time trying to get him out.
read way too many books, i.e crisis of conscience, freedom of mind, i'm perfect you're not, and even the damn bible, blah blah blah.
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sometimes we see our problems like they will never go away... but they will...
and, 10 years from now, you will hardly remember your actual problems.
So, take a deep breath and remember that this is just a low, it will go away in no time.
I will drink this one for you!
cheers!
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Cultural JWs
by wizzstick infollowing a comment by sapphy on another thread on cultural jws, it got me thinking about my circle of 30 something jw friends.. they fall into roughly two groups.
couples without kids, couples with kids.. the couples without kids are the most interesting.
they're mainly career types, but with one foot firmly in jw land.
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50% of them are like this
45% are very old people
5% are still-in-apostates
that's why the JW still exists.
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Where Did the Watchtower Go Wrong By Not Preparing Their Members For Death from Old Age? Real Stories.
by ÁrbolesdeArabia inthe following story is heart-breaking to me, i was in los angeles in a cancer hospital to see a friend who was partially in the organization i would say.
he had found jesus christ and his thoughts had changed where he really thought he was going to heaven.
i hope he is right, i am not a god or judge and i hope he is looking down on me from above laughing after the graceful way he endured his agonizing death.. .
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They teach almost the same, in this case.
"you will wake up in paradise... it's just close and open your eyes, just like falling asleep"
I fell a little bit afraid of death. I don't have that desire to "live forever", but also I believe that an earlier death is unfear. I want to see my kids as adults. I want to have grandchildren.
What if I die tomorrow?
What if I die before waking up my family to TTATT?
I'm some sort of agnostic, so I don't think that I'm going anywere. And that is a little more scary. In the end it will be "game over, man... game over!", no hopes, nothing. Just the blue screen of death.
Going back to the issue: No, I believe that WT gives their followers an empty hope as empty as the other faiths. Is not better, is not worst.
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ex-jw-uk
by bigmac ini'm quite new to this site, & have realised some members have a union jack symbol under their avatar.
i don't.. could we have a "show of hands" from any uk members?
i've already found several by reading older posts..
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Nobody from Woking... or near?
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So, Whats the real reason JWs are no concessions open at the DC and are discouraged from supporting nearby vendors?
by BU2B inso ever since they discontinues the food service at the assemblies and dcs, jws have been "lovingly encouraged" to pack a light lunch to eat.
the secretary at the hall that i am held hostage in said during the service meeting that even a sub would be too heavy to eat, and that a light salad was the best option.
what do you fine people think is the real reason why, in the absence of food service, jws are told to not leave the building at lunch?
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My kids know that convention = happy meals for 3 days...
Such a happy time!
Yes, as everybody elses says: it's about the money. Is you eat outside is far costly that eat a light nothing there. And the money has to go to boxes, not to McD.
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Faithful and Discreet... Slave or Manager?
by Splash inthere are two parallel verses, of which we are very familiar with one in particular:.
(mt 24:45) who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?.
(lu 12:42) and the lord said: "who really is the faithful steward, the discreet one, whom his master will appoint over his body of attendants to keep giving them their measure of food supplies at the proper time?".
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" So as a slave/overseer, how should they refer to themselves, as the slave or as the overseer?"
They are humble. The name is not important. Only worship them and that's all.