Posts by apocalypse

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Jehovahs Witnesses don't know what the Kingdom of God even is.

by biblexaminer in

after a century of learning and teaching, the dubs are no closer to understanding what jesus taught.. god's kingdom rules ch.

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9 how will god’s kingdom come?

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Since the "Kingdom of (the Watchtower) God is not coming with striking observableness" and "people (will not) say, ‘See here!’ or, ‘There!’" ...then obviously, when this "decisive action." takes place, ...nobody will even notice.

LOL ... Kind of like everything else Watchtower does.

When the (Watchtower) Kingdom will exert its full power toward the earth, ain't nobody gonna say 'See here' or 'There'.

Yes good people, it's going to be a non-event. And...

"It will remove the present wicked system of things, including all man-made governments, and bring in a righteous new world." -but apparently everyone will be busy doing something else and go on with life without missing a beat. I guess people will be too preoccupied to notice all the governments are gone.

You have to be a complete moron to suck up all the Watchtower bilge water.

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ACTIVISM strategies

by TerryWalstrom in

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with the proliferation of social media, more people have been reached by the watchtower organization than ever before in history.

it sure took them long enough!.

at the same time, anti-jw activism has caught fire to counterbalance the propaganda.. there are all sorts of activists operating "out there" using books, videos, podcasts, facebook, and incidental un-witnessing to puncture and perforate the false message and counterfeit codswallop of the governing body.. __________.

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This site is one of the best methods of dismantling watchtower. Watchtower hates open discussion. I also appreciate ones who have put up videos on YouTube etc. Last, but not least are the information sites put up that are specific to certain topics. All good.

I have tried some local things. Caused a few problems. The result was talks by horrified elders from both the Kingdom Hall platform and the assembly hall platform. Plenty of oohs from the gallery. On the list of those affected are upwards of a dozen dubs who are now free. And I got plans.

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Ultimate door stopper

by Chook in

when answering door ask jw what is the youngest age that they have heard of their young ones getting baptised.

response will be between 7-14 depending on there mental capacity to recall.

then proceed to ask if this young one later in life joins another religion is there any sanctions .

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Your wife is here now? Super. After being on here for a decade, my wife woke up to the truth and is here now too.

Great news!

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meeting with elders about WT involvement in UN

by LevelThePlayingField in

i still go to the meetings because of my in wife and it came about that the elders knew of my pissed off attitude about the society getting involved in the un.

so the elders said they could help me get over that and wanted to meet with me.

now just to let you know, i have only told my wife and her mom so far about it, that's it.

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For those who want to go the UN WTS angle, you will soon have even more information to heap on an elders head.

Very shortly, there will be provided by the United Nations DPI a select lot of new information.

The Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of Brooklyn NY has in fact called the UN a liar, in print, when it contradicted the UN-DPI's version of events.

The UN-DPI is about to clear this up.

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NEW BLOOD CARD w/ FORCED COMPLIANCE also LEGALISM

by apocalypse in

i have looked around and i don't see this covered, so i am starting a thread.. 1) the new "blood card" goes beyond being just a "blood card".. 2) a new edict concerning compliance.. pay attention to the changes.. first, the new card is termed "advance decision to refuse specified medical treatment".

the big change with the card itself is that it includes an 'override' of your "power of attorney".

this is huge.

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I started this thread because of one thing. The fact that they do not have any room for fractions.

Now there's a lot of other stuff to talk about with regard to this new card, and I am glad to see that many picked up on it. That said, I was particularly peeved that there is no mention of fractions and no place to write it down.

A while back, I had a brother, who was serving alongside me, and his wife sit at my dinner table. Blood was brought up and I said something to the effect of "the Society is encouraging us to use blood products". Brother hard-line took it like you would expect. He went straight to the body and called me out.

So, I got hauled in before two elders and had to answer for what was said. One elder, whom I have known a long time and had no trouble working with, sat without a word. The other was a Society man to the core, but I backed him down hard. I recorded the entire meeting.

Nothing came of it. However, the point is, the WTS is encouraging the use of fractions galore and I say this because this new document goes past even what they have done prior to this. The new document assumes that you take all fractions except the specific things mentioned on the card.

The section where you can write things down is for "other medical conditions", not for your acceptance or denial of some fractions.

The WTS WANTS YOU TO TAKE EVERYTHING to limit the deaths.

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

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Anyone who writes what 'formerbrother' wrote is NOT ready for "the truth".

Does this statement make anyone angry? Probably. And why? Because it's "the truth" and "the truth" stings.

I am not condemning formerbrother. On the contrary, as he wrote his innermost feelings.

That, however, changes nothing. He has not had enough poison in his belly. He needs to go back for more. Only when he has had enough, when he vomits up Watchtower like the putrid bile that it is, then he can possibly embrace "the truth."

Jesus said "I am the way". Watchtower does not have Jesus in its back pocket. Why would anyone feel the need to go there to get Him? Watchtower has betrayed Him, and formerbrother sill looks to them like many a person, beaten by an abusive mate, goes back for yet more abuse. It happens all to often.

Where to go? Jesus said that our situation would be like "wheat among weeds", and 'formerbrother' needs to start accepting what Jesus said, or go back to Watchtower for more poison.

A newly born Christian, having vacated Watchtowerland, accepts his/her lot. We are in a world alone, like a few tiny wheat stocks in a field of weeds. Jesus said "where two or more are gathered together, there I am also". Jesus did NOT raise expectations for large groups of Christians. He was quite modest in what He instructed us to expect.

I personally have a few family members and a few former JWs in my "two or more". That is enough. Because Jesus is enough.

Formerbrother... when will Jesus be enough for you?

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Prophecy; "Food At The Proper Time"? ...or food for the BEAST?

by apocalypse in

watchtower literature, according to watchtower dogma, is not mere 'literature'... like any other literature from some "worldly" source, ...but rather it is "spiritual food" given by christ's appointed "slave" at "the proper time" and in fulfillment of bible prophecy.

(matthew 24:45-47).

this is the claim.

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Watchtower literature, according to Watchtower dogma, is not mere 'literature'... like any other literature from some "worldly" source, ...but rather it is "spiritual food" given by Christ's appointed "slave" at "the proper time" and in fulfillment of Bible prophecy. (Matthew 24:45-47)

This is the claim. https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20140815/receiving-food-at-proper-time/

So, would it be possible, is it conceivable, that a "list" exists, a list of pieces of this "spiritual food" that were manufactured, not as "spiritual food" for God's "chosen", but rather 'food' items that were written, printed and disseminated to God's sheep, and in fact everyone on Earth by means of the door to door work, for the sole purpose of feeding, not the faithful, but the Beast of the Apocalypse?

Sounds far fetched?

The Beast is none other than, (according to WTS dogma) the United Nations in New York City USA. And the "list" is a comprehensive log of all the literature written and composed by the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of New York and submitted to the United Nations Department of Information, just across town, in order to satisfy the requirements of the UN DPI as outlined in the UN document "Criteria of Association".

And, have any of you here ever read a document called the Constitution of Jehovah's Witnesses? This is yet another requirement of the BEAST. That JW's have a "Constitution" and they submit it to the United Nations for review.

Not only was "a signature required" on an Application Form at the UN DPI ... but much more was required.

And the "damned" at Watchtower complied with each and every requirement.

"Spiritual food" indeed!

...POISON designed by the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses in order to deceive the UN DPI so that Watchtower could send their men, their wolves in sheep's covering, into conferences at the UN General Assembly building.

Watchtower says it didn't know about Criteria of Association. But for ten years it wrote articles, "spiritual food" extolling the virtues of the United Nations, praising their efforts.

We all read these. Soon, we have a list.

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A sucker is born every minute

by Sour Grapes in

i was an elder in the 1970's and i was not a big fan of the "stay alive until 75" dogma.

i was looked down upon by the heavy hitters on the body of elders and in time i changed my mind.

i knew of the failed prophecy of 1914 being the end of all times which was repeated for the year 1925...yet i came to believe well maybe this time they've got it right.. with every new watchtower, i combed over every word to find support for my change in my belief that the end was coming in fall of 1975. at the district assembly in 1975, everyone clung onto every word in the final talk.

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There was a 2 part symposium given at our circuit assembly, held in a high school, just prior to 1975, I think it was 1972. The speakers were the CO last name Scalioni, and guess who was the other speaker.... KENNETH LITTLE.

They went on about how the end might not even wait till 75, that it would come before!!!!

They had a GB approved script. It wasn't their opinions. Much as the WTS defenders would like to claim.

I think Scalioni is a corpse. Kenneth Little, well, he's still on this side of the sod. And his fleshly brother, I hear, has just been re-instated. He want's to die a goodie 2 shoes dub I guess.

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