Posts by apocalypse

I will mention that carefully phrased comments at the book study can go miles. You can throw a wrench into many-a-gearbox with a comment connecting two discordant points.

For instannce. "We shouldn't use blood. But we can allow our blood to be separated and only the allowable portions utilized."

This flies in the face of the average dub's understanding that blood is to be poured out and not used at all. Yet if challenged, you can point in the direction of existing Watchtower dogma. All that is left is a personal struggle for the listener.

Now, someone will say "you can't help them"... "they are all brainwashed"...

They would be missing the point. I am not trying to help everyone. I view the Kingdom Hall like a Borg ship. You can walk down the hallway and as long as you don't disturb the wrong ones, they don't notice you. Borg.

For the most part, I view the dubs as background noise. Like walking through a barnyard full of unthinking animals. But every now and then one of the animals says a word, and you backup and ask "can you talk?" ...to see if you heard right. And it answer "yes". So you have found one of the animals that is more than what he or she appears to be. It has learned to talk and think. This is the one, against the backdrop af mindless noise, where your work begins.

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UNDERGROUND RAILROAD (helping JWs see)

by apocalypse in

i am an "active" jw.

i serve.

give talks.

apocalypse

Kudos to those who have made it past "the barb wire" of The Watchtower Gulag.

One person asked how we discern those who can be helped. Well, it's a process. Little tid bits of info to see if a person responds. Having them over for tea. Drawing them up. Helping them appreciate confidentiality. Providing them with clear proof. Starting off by taking information that they are not cognizant of yet current info. Carefully phrased, you can really throw a wrench in their works. Example: "Hey John, just think that in just a few years, the Watchtower will celebrate the first centenial aniversary of the kingdom. Yes 2014 is just around the corner. Hey, then the're will only be 900 years left of the Kindom.I hope the end comes soon". And try to be sincere, no sarcasm.

How to not get caught. Never allowing yourself to be cornered. Stressing confidentiality. Finding out what pieves the person and making sure that distaste for Watchtower grows enough to keep them silent while persuing the truth.

How to keep going? Now that's harder. So often you want to puke. We miss many meetings. We do other stuff while we are there. You can actually be sitting in the hall and be somewhere else. Bring your own printed material and slip away in your chair.

What do you think if JWD puts up a thread called UNDERGROUND RAILROAD ...?

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Has the WTS unofficially removed the U.N. from it's doctrine?

by Santisimo in

does anyone know if the wts has mentioned the united nations in any of it's magazines aside from the kingdom news publication?

i get thefeeling that the wts has done a complete turn around on this matter and left all the j-dubs out of the loop.. as it is, there is absolutely no sign that the u.n. is trying to destroy religions anywhere in the world.

i can't imagine the u.n. ever taking a stand against radical islam much less the wts.

apocalypse

You make a valid point. My wife and I have both noticed the absence of any UN content.

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UNDERGROUND RAILROAD (helping JWs see)

by apocalypse in

i am an "active" jw.

i serve.

give talks.

apocalypse

I am an "active" JW. I serve. Give talks. Preach the kingdum.

I also educate from within.

So far, I have helped several.

First, my wife, who is now my best companion and helper in our new vocation.

Next, one whole family out and into a new life. Kudos to them!

Another family knows the "truth" and fades.

Another sister left abruptly and has a new lease on life. Bravo...:)

Presently working on a few. Chiseling away at the WT barnacles on their brains.

Who is with me...?

PS: I wouldn't mind if a new area here could be devoted to this.

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BRAIN-DEAD QUOTES FROM OCT 1st WT

by Mary in

the writing department should really win an oscar for best screenplay in a comedy/drama series craptower, the article is entitled is the bible too restrictive?

in actuality, every witness knows that this is really asking "is the wts too restrictive?

on page 9 it says in part:

apocalypse

Good post. Seems you hit several "nail(s) on the head"

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For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE

by Swamboozled in

just got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.

i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!

http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm

apocalypse

Awayz back I said ...

"Seriously, it's not even worth debating the thing with this 3rd fella. The minute you pick out the errors and tell people which coconut he hid the twist under (and there's several twists, omissions ad fabrications) then he disappears for a goodly time and re-appears down the road under a new handle to start over on some fresh minds."

And so it has come true. Third dummy has done a disappearing act after failing to address directly the questions put to him.

And so it goes with all dummies who refuse to accept the truth.

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For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE

by Swamboozled in

just got this link sent to me by my sister in law and i just keeping staring at it trying to decide where to start.

i know that arguing with a jw is like throwing miracle wheat in the wind...but i want a comeback!!!

http://www.2001translation.com/587_or_607.htm

apocalypse

"... and since we can see clearly that Jerusalem was destroyed in 606... no ...make that 607 BCE, then we KNOW that Armageddon will come in 1975...."

I think that about sums up Watchtower. Ya think...

Seriously, it's not even worth debating the thing with this 3rd fella. The minute you pick out the errors and tell people which coconut he hid the twist under (and there's several twists, omissions ad fabrications) then he disappears for a goodly time and re-appears down the road under a new handle to start over on some fresh minds.

Really, just look at the guy's posting name and see he's a newbie. He will never be more than that. Once you start to debate in earnest, he's gone.

Before you can pick his bones clean he's off to see the wizard. See ya third. Talk to you again when you are yet another fresh newbie.

The 587 date is so firmly established that it's comical to see a fool make his con-artist attempt on the minds of readers.

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Napa Valley, CA Child Abuse Court Case Victories

by AndersonsInfo in

napa wt child abuse case.

two important court decisions, which came out of napa valley, ca, are now available for us to post on jwd.

these significant rulings overturn objections regularly made by the watchtower in recent lawsuits and may serve as a precedent for future lawsuits.

apocalypse

This is good news. Slowly the casket lid lifts to reveal the "dead men's bones"....