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What did Jesus really mean when he spoke on the mount of olives?

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I have come to see that most want to express an opinion about this topic without facing the questions generated by their expressions. From 20 different people I hear 20 different opinions, no two the same. And none can exist mutually. One person's opinion contradicts the next, and then folks move on.

I raise an issue with the preterists and they move on. The same with the dualists. Likewise with the futurists.

I find the preterists most amusing. Why, because in Paul's day there were a group of people who believed the ressurrection was all over with.

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What did Jesus really mean when he spoke on the mount of olives?

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Satanus. Do you have any faith at all? If you have given up, then give up somewhere's else.

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What did Jesus really mean when he spoke on the mount of olives?

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Vanderhoven7 : You have a good effort there. However, under the "onslaught" of Jerusalem, you have the sign of the second coming. It's all out of context. Jesus didn't come on the clouds in 70. And there was no event where it went completely dark, sun,moon and stars, in 70.

But good effort. You realized there has to be a separation.

You could try to read the link I put up. Or perhaps your post satisfes you.

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What did Jesus really mean when he spoke on the mount of olives?

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http://issuu.com/a.s.o.h.

You can cut and paste. But this link should work.

http://issuu.com/a.s.o.h./docs/olivetdiscourse

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What did Jesus really mean when he spoke on the mount of olives?

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Luke 21:35 doesn't just say "Earth" as though one could relegate the events to a portion according to one's needs. It clearly says more.

Strong's and Vine

For [G1063] as [G5613] a snare [G3803] shall it come [G1904] (5695) on [G1909] all [G3956] them that dwell [G2521] (5740) on [G1909] the face [G4383] of the whole [G3956] earth [G1093].

Clearly it's much bigger than 70CE.

Not sure why the link fails for some. Here is a URL that goes to the page. The doc is there.

http://issuu.com/a.s.o.h.

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What did Jesus really mean when he spoke on the mount of olives?

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The preterist has a problem. For example.

Luke 21:34,35

34 “Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you suddenly like a trap. 35 For it will come on all those who live on the face of the whole earth. Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.”

If it was all 'said and done' in 70, then one has to explain the "whole Earth" part, and the 'standing before the Son of Man'. All done?

The 'dual fulfiller' like Watchtower has a problem. Matthew 24:21 shows that there can be no "next time".

21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

Them what believe at all have a problem. Matthew 24:1 “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”

There's still lot's of stones on top of other stones there in Jerusalem. In fact, there's a whole tower itact. You can visit.

And, Jesus said Luke 21:31

" 31 so [also] ye, when ye see these things to be done, know ye, that the kingdom of God is nigh."

Perhaps any believer can explain how it was that the kingdom of God 'came' in 70CE. I know that the Romans came. But kingdom of God???

The link I placed above is the only document I've read that answers all the questions for me.

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What did Jesus really mean when he spoke on the mount of olives?

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Yes, the "scriptures" have endured crusades and dusty monastaries and thousands of years. As well as the 'keepers' (the chrurch) who have interjected. Did you have a read of the link I posted? Perhaps something new.

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What did Jesus really mean when he spoke on the mount of olives?

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Be objective.

http://issuu.com/a.s.o.h./docs/olivetdiscourse?mode=window&pageNumber=1

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Jehovah's Witnesses: Fastest Growing Christian Group in the US

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the yearbook of american and canadian churches statistics listed the jehovah's witnesses as the fastest growing christian group in the us for 4 years in a row (the 2008-2011 yearbooks).

the 2011 yearbook reported a 4.37% growth rate (based on 2010 membership figures).

according to the 2012 yearbook, the growth of the jehovah's witnesses was 1.85%, falling into 4th place.

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The Jews were a fast growing religion in their day. Until the Roman Army came. Historians wrote that 'they were slaughtered like cattle'.

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District Convention 2012

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have anyone of you out there been so bold as to voice a concern, and voice it so well that it got back to the circuit overseer, then the do, then back to the branch and end up becoming something that had to be mentioned at the district convention?.

in summary of the watchtower at the dc, i recorded elder g. saying "the clear direction that that would be both when we have to agree with their direction and even if we do not fully agree" in relation to 'fully supporting jehovah's arrangement of things'.. of course he was speaking out both sides of his mouth.

how can one agree without agreeing?

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Have anyone of you out there been so bold as to voice a concern, and voice it so well that it got back to the Circuit Overseer, then the DO, then back to the branch and end up becoming something that had to be mentioned at the district convention?

In Summary of the Watchtower at the DC, I recorded elder G. saying "the clear direction that that would be both when we have to agree with their direction and even if we do not fully agree" in relation to 'fully supporting Jehovah's arrangement of things'.

Of course he was speaking out both sides of his mouth. How can one agree without agreeing? This is apostacy.