Posts by apocalypse

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The governing body are so scared... so very, very scared. (see video)

by apocalypse in

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http://e-watchman.com/home/2012/11/11/who-really-is-the-faithful-and-discreet-slave.html.

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My whole point is, the curtain should not be there. What's behind the curtain Mr OZ...?

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The governing body are so scared... so very, very scared. (see video)

by apocalypse in

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http://e-watchman.com/home/2012/11/11/who-really-is-the-faithful-and-discreet-slave.html.

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Cofty says " Would it not be odd if they hid the podium behind the curtain?"

Does your brain even work? You do the same thing as Watchtower by using a straw-man argument. Nobody suggested that.

First, according to you, they need to put the podium as far back as possible. Good. Farther from speakers.

Then why did they put up a curtain up front, with the majority of the stage behind it, and force the podium towards the front?

You made my argument for me. My point was exactly that. The podium should be farther back, and the curtain farther still. There's lots of stage there.

I have never, ever ever seen a speaker standing with his back to a curtain, a curtain which doesn't need to be there.

Unless it is hiding something.

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The governing body are so scared... so very, very scared. (see video)

by apocalypse in

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http://e-watchman.com/home/2012/11/11/who-really-is-the-faithful-and-discreet-slave.html.

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cofty says "You have an over-active imagination. The podium is set as far back as possible to avoid feedback."

First, the podium is not "set back as far as possible". Over 85% of the stage is behind the curtain. The g-boobs are standing in the front 15%. And your notion about feedback shows that you know nothing about sound. I have worked in that department in sound for almost half a century. I have original documents from the branch office from 1972 on the rules for how things ought to be set up. (I was much younger then) And I have qualifications in the area.

And I will thank you to NOT discuss that which you know nothing of. You just display your ignorance.

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The governing body are so scared... so very, very scared. (see video)

by apocalypse in

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http://e-watchman.com/home/2012/11/11/who-really-is-the-faithful-and-discreet-slave.html.

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Can you see it? Can you tell how frightened these men are?

Ok. Let me point out what you may not have noticed when watching the video.

The stage at the Stanley Theatre is quite large, and deep. Yet the GB boobs are standing with their backs to the curtain. Literally AGAINST the curtain. The podium has been placed so that the GB boob has to squeeze in behind the podium, in front of the curtain. So much room up there and he has to squeeze in.

And why is that curtain there in the middle of such a deep platform? With as much space is available on that stage, they put a curtain up right there.

I wonder what's on the other side of that curtain. Wait... I bet I know.

A quick exit.

On the other side of that curtain is a fortified wall with an open blast door. There are two large brothers just through that open door, standing at the ready. At any moment they can reach through the opening and hoist the governing boob to safety, slam the bullet-proof blast door shut and spirit him quickly to an awaiting vehicle in an undisclosed location.

And NEVER, NEVER, NEVER would the g-boobs all be on the stage together. All in one place. Ah... what a target.

And think of who they are afraid of. Every goody-2-shoes JW in that audience was identified. Faithful dubs who could be trusted.

And yet, the g-boobs shiver.

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The governing body are so scared... so very, very scared. (see video)

by apocalypse in

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http://e-watchman.com/home/2012/11/11/who-really-is-the-faithful-and-discreet-slave.html.

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http://e-watchman.com/home/2012/11/11/who-really-is-the-faithful-and-discreet-slave.html

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I'am in the Penalty Box! I asked the Circuit Overseer "Who Donates Blood For Jehovah's Witnesses Blood Fragments".

by AuntConnie in

told my husband to put a muzzle on my mouth over the blood dogma.

we all were driving around in field service when the topic of "which fragments would you take if you were in a car accident or cut yourself badly".

said his choice is a personal one, another sister with chronic health problems said she had no problem with the governing body's new light on taking various fragments.

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Aunt Connie. I sent you a private message. Please have a gander. Cheers.

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Who Really Is The Faithful Slave? Really? W-7/15/2013

by apocalypse in

who really is the faithful slave?

i have, for some time, related to my family the underlying reason why the governors at headquarters (pg22p10) say what they say & do what they do.

simply put, they need to make themselves big.

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Are the governing body members our church "fathers"... or are they mothers.

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The "SCHOLAR" mentioned in this Sunday's WT Study

by RagingBull in

july 15, 2013. pg.

16, pp.9... steven j. lawson (from book famine in the land: a passionat call for expository preaching).

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If the "slave", the 8 dudes on page 26, get appointed over "all" Christ's "belongings" because they published the watchtower rag, then what do the "scholars" whom they quote get?

If the "slave" is so high and mighty, then why do they find it neccessary to quote from "apostate Christendom"?

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Who Really Is The Faithful Slave? Really? W-7/15/2013

by apocalypse in

who really is the faithful slave?

i have, for some time, related to my family the underlying reason why the governors at headquarters (pg22p10) say what they say & do what they do.

simply put, they need to make themselves big.

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Who Really Is The Faithful Slave? Really? W-7/15/2013

I have, for some time, related to my family the underlying reason why the governors at “headquarters” (pg22p10) say what they say & do what they do. Simply put, they need to make themselves big. They crave bigness as did the Pharisees in Jesus day. As the Pharisees ‘enhanced their outer garments to be seen by men’, for this same reason the governors at headquarters do likewise. It’s the same reason a drug addict craves the drug. When he/she takes the drug, it releases endorphins. When the HQ governors print this stuff, they get the same high. They get that “feeling of well-being”.

But they need more. And more. Ever increasing amounts till they inevitably crash. That is how addiction ends. And so I have explained to my family that the claims by the HQ guv’s would only get more bold with time. And if the guv's can’t say enough good about themselves, it will also do to put everyone else down. They need to see a greater chasm between themselves and the ‘great unwashed’. In so doing, they model the activities of the rest of corporate America. Greed. Lust for power. The high. The addiction.

And so the final part of Matthew 24:45-51 finds fulfillment.

(Matthew 24:48, 49)48 “But if ever that evil slave should say in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’ 49 and should start to beat his fellow slaves and should eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards,

The HQ guv’s have done all the rest. Preached false dates so as to teach ‘the Master is delayed’, once the dates came and passed. And now they beat the “fellow slaves”.

This Watchtower article is ‘the’ defining moment.

First, they nail it down -that THEY and only THEY- are the embodiment of, the fulfillment of “the slave”.

Page 22, pg. 10 “…that slave is made up of a small group of anointed brothers who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food during Christ’s presence. Throughout the last days, the anointed brothers who make up the faithful slave have served together at headquarters.” (see page 26 photo at bottom)

No room for anyone else. Only them. Their “brothers” in the field are beaten down, NOBODY. The HQ guv’s don’t want to hear anything from the ‘unwashed masses’.

Ah. But in so doing, the HQ guv’s have cut everyone else out of the reward as well!

Is the rest of the 144,000 in there? NO!

The remaining 143, 992 are ‘outsiders’. Only the 8 fellas whose picture is found at the end of all these articles (page 26) get the SUM, whereas the 143,992 get SOME. I wonder if the 144k-8 will notice.

I guess it depends on how brain dead the “anointed” are and whether or not they will catch this tricky ‘spiritual accounting’ in paragraph 19 on page 25.

19 Does the faithful slave receive a greater reward in heaven than the rest of the anointed? No.

…Jesus promised that small group of men that a fine reward awaited them for their faithfulness.

They would share [SOME] his throne of kingly authority. But years later, he indicated that all of the 144,000 will sit on thrones and share [SOME] his rulership. …Similarly, as stated at Matthew 24:47, he promised that a small group of men—the anointed brothers who make up the faithful slave (see photo on page 26) —will be appointed over all [SUM] his belongings. In reality, all of the 144,000 will share [SOME] his vast heavenly authority.

Will the 144k-8 pick up on this gross contradiction? Only “the faithful slave”, says this Watchtower article, the few brothers pictured in the photo at the bottom of page 26, will be appointed over all, that is the SUM of his belongings. Add them “ALL” up and you have the SUM of them. No exceptions!

But, is there anyone else in this “faithful slave” group who will be placed “over all”, the SUM of his belongings? No! So how can the guv’s work so hard to separate themselves from the rest of the 144k as “over all”, but then suggest the reward is the same?

CAN YOU SPELL CONTRADICTION?

Paul’s words ring true, more so today then ever.

(1 Corinthians 4:6-8)6 Now, brothers, these things I have transferred so as to apply to myself and A·pol′los for YOUR good, that in our case YOU may learn the [rule]: “Do not go beyond the things that are written,” in order that YOU may not be puffed up individually in favor of the one against the other. 7 For who makes you to differ from another? Indeed, what do you have that you did not receive? If, now, you did indeed receive [it], why do you boast as though you did not receive [it]? 8 YOU men already have YOUR fill, do YOU? YOU are rich already, are YOU? YOU have begun ruling as kings without us, have YOU? And I wish indeed that YOU had begun ruling as kings, that we also might rule with YOU as kings.

Yes, the 8 governors at HQ are going to have a higher reward than even the Apostles of Christ. And why? Because they publish this rag filled with rubbish.

One final quote from paragraph 19, omitting the fluff in between to bring the contradiction to bear.

19 Does the faithful slave receive a greater reward in heaven than the rest of the anointed? No. … he promised that a small group of men—the anointed brothers who make up the faithful slave—will be appointed over all his belongings. In reality, all of the 144,000 will share his vast heavenly authority.

One simple question bears out the hypocrisy? If there was no diffeence in the reward given the slave, from that which all annointed will recieve, then what was Christ talking about when he said 'all my belongings'?

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This WT book allows one raised as a JW to do a critical review of the religion and elders can't go against it.

by EndofMysteries in

i love this gem, it was taken off the jw.org website, it seems only material after 1990 is up now, but it's here, http://www.scribd.com/doc/5472988/the-time-for-true-submission-to-god .

page 6, "the need to search for the truth".

says this....and i couldn't agree with it more!

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Do Catholics "look into it" to discover the "truth" about their religious upbringing?

Sure! They have questions. So, they go to the preist and he answers them. Fixed!

Now they can stay Catholic.

What are you suggesting brother, that Catholics should listen to an outsider talk about their religion? Oh dear! That would be apostacy. They can't do that, now can they? We wouldn't be advocating a double standard, would we?

No, Catholics should liten to their religious hierarchy. We will lsiten to ours. That's how we "look into it".