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NEW BLOOD CARD w/ FORCED COMPLIANCE also LEGALISM

by apocalypse in

i have looked around and i don't see this covered, so i am starting a thread.. 1) the new "blood card" goes beyond being just a "blood card".. 2) a new edict concerning compliance.. pay attention to the changes.. first, the new card is termed "advance decision to refuse specified medical treatment".

the big change with the card itself is that it includes an 'override' of your "power of attorney".

this is huge.

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I started this thread because of one thing. The fact that they do not have any room for fractions.

Now there's a lot of other stuff to talk about with regard to this new card, and I am glad to see that many picked up on it. That said, I was particularly peeved that there is no mention of fractions and no place to write it down.

A while back, I had a brother, who was serving alongside me, and his wife sit at my dinner table. Blood was brought up and I said something to the effect of "the Society is encouraging us to use blood products". Brother hard-line took it like you would expect. He went straight to the body and called me out.

So, I got hauled in before two elders and had to answer for what was said. One elder, whom I have known a long time and had no trouble working with, sat without a word. The other was a Society man to the core, but I backed him down hard. I recorded the entire meeting.

Nothing came of it. However, the point is, the WTS is encouraging the use of fractions galore and I say this because this new document goes past even what they have done prior to this. The new document assumes that you take all fractions except the specific things mentioned on the card.

The section where you can write things down is for "other medical conditions", not for your acceptance or denial of some fractions.

The WTS WANTS YOU TO TAKE EVERYTHING to limit the deaths.

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

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Anyone who writes what 'formerbrother' wrote is NOT ready for "the truth".

Does this statement make anyone angry? Probably. And why? Because it's "the truth" and "the truth" stings.

I am not condemning formerbrother. On the contrary, as he wrote his innermost feelings.

That, however, changes nothing. He has not had enough poison in his belly. He needs to go back for more. Only when he has had enough, when he vomits up Watchtower like the putrid bile that it is, then he can possibly embrace "the truth."

Jesus said "I am the way". Watchtower does not have Jesus in its back pocket. Why would anyone feel the need to go there to get Him? Watchtower has betrayed Him, and formerbrother sill looks to them like many a person, beaten by an abusive mate, goes back for yet more abuse. It happens all to often.

Where to go? Jesus said that our situation would be like "wheat among weeds", and 'formerbrother' needs to start accepting what Jesus said, or go back to Watchtower for more poison.

A newly born Christian, having vacated Watchtowerland, accepts his/her lot. We are in a world alone, like a few tiny wheat stocks in a field of weeds. Jesus said "where two or more are gathered together, there I am also". Jesus did NOT raise expectations for large groups of Christians. He was quite modest in what He instructed us to expect.

I personally have a few family members and a few former JWs in my "two or more". That is enough. Because Jesus is enough.

Formerbrother... when will Jesus be enough for you?

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Prophecy; "Food At The Proper Time"? ...or food for the BEAST?

by apocalypse in

watchtower literature, according to watchtower dogma, is not mere 'literature'... like any other literature from some "worldly" source, ...but rather it is "spiritual food" given by christ's appointed "slave" at "the proper time" and in fulfillment of bible prophecy.

(matthew 24:45-47).

this is the claim.

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Watchtower literature, according to Watchtower dogma, is not mere 'literature'... like any other literature from some "worldly" source, ...but rather it is "spiritual food" given by Christ's appointed "slave" at "the proper time" and in fulfillment of Bible prophecy. (Matthew 24:45-47)

This is the claim. https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20140815/receiving-food-at-proper-time/

So, would it be possible, is it conceivable, that a "list" exists, a list of pieces of this "spiritual food" that were manufactured, not as "spiritual food" for God's "chosen", but rather 'food' items that were written, printed and disseminated to God's sheep, and in fact everyone on Earth by means of the door to door work, for the sole purpose of feeding, not the faithful, but the Beast of the Apocalypse?

Sounds far fetched?

The Beast is none other than, (according to WTS dogma) the United Nations in New York City USA. And the "list" is a comprehensive log of all the literature written and composed by the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of New York and submitted to the United Nations Department of Information, just across town, in order to satisfy the requirements of the UN DPI as outlined in the UN document "Criteria of Association".

And, have any of you here ever read a document called the Constitution of Jehovah's Witnesses? This is yet another requirement of the BEAST. That JW's have a "Constitution" and they submit it to the United Nations for review.

Not only was "a signature required" on an Application Form at the UN DPI ... but much more was required.

And the "damned" at Watchtower complied with each and every requirement.

"Spiritual food" indeed!

...POISON designed by the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses in order to deceive the UN DPI so that Watchtower could send their men, their wolves in sheep's covering, into conferences at the UN General Assembly building.

Watchtower says it didn't know about Criteria of Association. But for ten years it wrote articles, "spiritual food" extolling the virtues of the United Nations, praising their efforts.

We all read these. Soon, we have a list.

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A sucker is born every minute

by Sour Grapes in

i was an elder in the 1970's and i was not a big fan of the "stay alive until 75" dogma.

i was looked down upon by the heavy hitters on the body of elders and in time i changed my mind.

i knew of the failed prophecy of 1914 being the end of all times which was repeated for the year 1925...yet i came to believe well maybe this time they've got it right.. with every new watchtower, i combed over every word to find support for my change in my belief that the end was coming in fall of 1975. at the district assembly in 1975, everyone clung onto every word in the final talk.

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There was a 2 part symposium given at our circuit assembly, held in a high school, just prior to 1975, I think it was 1972. The speakers were the CO last name Scalioni, and guess who was the other speaker.... KENNETH LITTLE.

They went on about how the end might not even wait till 75, that it would come before!!!!

They had a GB approved script. It wasn't their opinions. Much as the WTS defenders would like to claim.

I think Scalioni is a corpse. Kenneth Little, well, he's still on this side of the sod. And his fleshly brother, I hear, has just been re-instated. He want's to die a goodie 2 shoes dub I guess.

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Here is a pic of Stephen Lett and his wife.

by Iamallcool in

jw
friends

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Imagine. These pieces of pomposity parade themselves around like gods.

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Jw's and beards

by wannaexit in

jw
friends

without going into details.

it appears that new light might be coming down the pipes that beards are acceptable.

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i just went clean shaved for the first time in a long time, and now this!

That's it. I am going to shave my chest hairs and stick 'em to my face with some Elmer's glue.

Then off to da meetin'.

I'm thinkin'.. if one of the elders comments about it, I'll tell him he can have one too.

"I'm outta chest hair" I'll tell him... "but I'll gladly shave my ass for you".

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Harmagedon backpack... Are we retarded??

by sp74bb in

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friends

sorry for this matter has been already discussed.. i got shocked after watching this video:.

kingdom hall disaster demonstration.

this is really insane !!!

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Like one person said, "Where are you bugging out to...?" Even in the demo, the radio announcer said "stay in your home". So the "properly" prepared ones were no better off than the "improperly" prepared ones.

Both were sitting at home. And if you are not smart enough to shut off the gas, then that's okay too. You will be "blown to Kingdom Come" and that's what you've been praying for.

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Got my JC cancelled... (at least for now)

by Sanchy in

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friends

so my wife and i have been in the process of fading for a few months now as per my original post here.

about a week ago, i was browsing some ex-jw facebook groups when i saw a post that linked to the crisis of conscience book.

i said "f@(k it" and hit share on it.. a few hours later, i get a long text letter from my mom (who was a fb friend of mine) telling me the typical "good luck finding friends in the world" and how we have "nothing in common anymore"; basically, it was a 'farewell' text.

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A little too late I'd say. When you blow a hole in the bottom of your boat, you look for a life jacket bro.

There's no coming back from this. It's a done deal.

I have been hiding for 20 years. My wife for 10. I know better than most how it goes. (family ties)

I've been 'hauled in' twice, and taken aside another few times.

In another event, I was caught in the Public Library by an elder in my own congo alongside another bro who had C of C in his hand. Literally. That bro faded. I was scrutinized.

I've been around, and sharing C of C on facebook...?!?!?! You are done. Get used ti it.

WTBTS NGO UN DPI What was the true motive?

by apocalypse in

https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/g02/114/72/pdf/g0211472.pdf?openelement.

united nations e economic and social council distr.

general e/cn.4/2002/107 19 march 2002 english original: spanish commission on human rights fifty-eighth session item 17 of the provisional agenda promotion and protection of human rights human rights and human responsibilities.

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https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/G02/114/72/PDF/G0211472.pdf?OpenElement

UNITED NATIONS E Economic and Social Council Distr. GENERAL E/CN.4/2002/107 19 March 2002 ENGLISH Original: SPANISH COMMISSION ON HUMAN RIGHTS Fifty-eighth session Item 17 of the provisional agenda PROMOTION AND PROTECTION OF HUMAN RIGHTS Human rights and human responsibilities

(Abridged)

This document begins with a brief introduction in which the author describes the proceedings in the Sub-Commission on the Promotion and Protection of Human Rights, as well as in the Commission itself and in the Economic and Social Council, which led to his appointment as Special Rapporteur entrusted with the task of preparing the study requested (Council decision 2001/285 of 24 July 2001).

(Abridged)

34. The foregoing does not, of course, rule out the possibility that in due course some of those duties and certain of those responsibilities may also be established and regulated as formal legal obligations, applicable not only from the standpoint of equity, ethics, justice or morality, but also under the positive law of the country concerned, as standards created in the internal order, or by obligations contracted at the international level. C. Reason for attempting to define formally the duties (or responsibilities) of individuals towards the community in which they live and towards other members of that community

(Abridged)

(Page 30)

53 All references to Holy Scripture in the Spanish original are taken from the Traducción del Nuevo Mundo de las Sagradas Escrituras (Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Brooklyn, 1967). See the books of Isaiah, Jeremiah and Hosea.

It was a matter of fact that the Watchtower affiliated with the UN DPI as an NGO for political reasons. The Governing Body was seeking to use the UN to do it's political work.

It's a matter of public record.

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NEW BLOOD CARD w/ FORCED COMPLIANCE also LEGALISM

by apocalypse in

i have looked around and i don't see this covered, so i am starting a thread.. 1) the new "blood card" goes beyond being just a "blood card".. 2) a new edict concerning compliance.. pay attention to the changes.. first, the new card is termed "advance decision to refuse specified medical treatment".

the big change with the card itself is that it includes an 'override' of your "power of attorney".

this is huge.

apocalypse

JW-Rogue

We'll see if it can work out like you say.