Lilly,
why are you being so condescending to me when I asked an honest question? You use terms like "here you go again putting your own spin on things" and "whay can't you understand" and accusing me of twisting scripture. Haven't you ever had a calm discussion about biblical texts before? I am not getting upset at you for disagreeing, I am simply asking questions. Do you feel I am trying to disprove you for that is not my intention at all. I am trying to learn about certain texts.
I'm sorry if I'm coming across as condescending, but you are starting to make me question your sincerity. You keep saying the same things over and over despite my pointing out to you that you are going beyond what is written. That's what I meant by "there you go again putting your own spin on things." How many ways do you expect me or anyone to show you that you just plain find it hard to accept clear, easy-to-understand statements?
Hebrews 1 says God spoke by the prophets in times past, yet you keep insisting he spoke by his Son. That is evidence of living in denial. What more can I say?
For instance by giving me that text in Matthew you shed light on the issue so thank you for that. I see what you mean about the Angels appearance but in Matthew it clearly identifies this person as "an angel of the Lord" so this text does not help with my question. I will try again to state my question.
Again, what more can I say? You keep trying to prove that Hebrews 1 is all wrong, that you know better. I showed you that Daniel 10 is describing an angel. I showed you right there in the context. But you don't seem satisfied. Now you want the context to come right out and say precisely that the man in linen is an "angel of the Lord." You want to believe that in OT times Jesus existed as a person less powerful than Michael the archangel.
There are many times when the OT people said an "angel of the LORD" appeared to them. I was simply asking when they specifically say "I saw GOD" and the bible says "no one has seen God at any time" who did they see? Could it be reasonable that they had actually seen Jesus - the image of God? The only one who actually answered my question is Mondo.
And how about what I told you about Jacob wrestling with a man who was actually an angel and who Jacob thought was God? How could he or anyone have seen Jesus if Hebrews 1 clearly, plainly, specifically says that God spoke by his prophets and Hebrews 2 says he spoke by his angels? I certainly hope you don't go through the rest of the Bible and question the actual wording of every verse just as you have been doing with these few verses in Hebrews. You seem to have your mind made up that God spoke to men by means of Jesus, and that's all there is to it despite what the Scriptures teach.
It is interesting that the words spoken to Daniel by the man is very similar (not saying exactly the same) as the words spoken to John by Jesus and recorded in Revelation. And both said they saw a man - not Angel. Why do you think this is so?
The words are most certainly not "very similar." They are not identical. You seem to want to believe that they ARE identical. Isn't that a case of believing only what you WANT to believe? Honestly, Lilly, if I sound condescending, I'm not. I just can't get over how easily you keep saying in so many words that your view is better than the one given in the Bible.
At any rate, I'm an old man, and it's past my bedtime, and I've got to get up early in the morning for work.
Frank