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  The Duality -- The Father and The Son

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

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  do jehovah's witnesses believe in two gods or one god?

  do they believe in a "duality"?

  do jehovah's witnesses and/or the angels worship jesus christ?.

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  Trinitarians point to Zechariah 13:7 and claim God has an equal. There "the Lord of hosts" speaks of a shepherd as "the man, my associate." Trinitarians say "associate" means "equal." That means the shepherd associate is a person "equal with God."

  Trinitarians also tell us the Lord of hosts is really THREE PERSONS. Those three Persons compose one entity or being. The three distinct Persons of the Trinity are one God, not three Gods.

  However, you might at this point be prone to ask, "But doesn't that make four persons? Three are in heaven as the Lord of hosts, and one is on the earth as the shepherd associate."

  A Trinitarian friend will respond, "Well, no, not exactly. You see, one Person of the Trinity is a God-man. He has both God's nature and man's nature."

  But that leads to another question: "Does this mean half of one of those persons is in heaven and the other half is on earth? Doesn't that make two persons separated by the vast exspanse of universal space? And doesn't that mean they are actually two separate beings, one with a spirit body in heaven and the other with a physical body on the earth?

  Perhaps feeling a bit confused by the question, our Trinitarian friend might say "Well, no. The shepherd on earth is the God-man. When Jesus was on the earth he was both God and man. Now in heaven he is still both God and man, having both the divine nature and human nature.

  You may feel that this leads to still another question: "Does this mean, then, that in Zechariah's day, when the Lord of hosts spoke of his shepherd associate, that he was really only two persons of the Trinity? In other words, they were in heaven, and the God-man was on the earth. If the Trinity in heaven was composed of three persons, wouldn't that make four members of the Trinity if we include the person on earth?

  Now, these are not the kinds of questions that Trinitarians want to hear. Such questions indicate you are probing too far into the deep things of God. Before you decide to ask any more questions, your Trinitarian friend and guide will probably suggest that we all move on to another topic.

  If you do probe deeper, you may discover that Trinitarians actually worship three gods, after all. It is much better for the sake of your salvation to conclude that the Trinity is a mystery not to be understood by finite minds such as ours.

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  The Duality -- The Father and The Son

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  do jehovah's witnesses believe in two gods or one god?

  do they believe in a "duality"?

  do jehovah's witnesses and/or the angels worship jesus christ?.

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  fjtoth

  Whom do YOU believe, the Trinitarians or God?Do you worship the THREE EQUAL GODS of the Trinitarians,
  or the ONE GOD of the Bible who has NO EQUALS?

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  The Duality -- The Father and The Son

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  do jehovah's witnesses believe in two gods or one god?

  do they believe in a "duality"?

  do jehovah's witnesses and/or the angels worship jesus christ?.

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  fjtoth

  The scripture says: "'Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man, my associate,' declares the LORD of hosts. 'Strike the shepherd that the sheep may be scattered; and I will turn my hand against the little ones.'"

  The speaker is "the LORD of hosts." In the prophecy's fulfillment, the shepherd is Jesus Christ.

  Does the verse say that the shepherd is "God," or does it say he is "the man, my associate"?

  If someone is God's "associate," does that mean he also is God or equal with God? The Hebrew word for "associate" is used only ten times in the Scriptures. It is translated in various ways, but it is never translated as "God," and it never means "God". It is translated variously as "another," "associate," "companion," "friend," "neighbor" and "partner."

  But if "the man" is God's associate, companion or partner, does that mean "the man" is equal to God?

  Think about this: Trinitarians claim that Jesus is "God." Therefore, if Jesus has associates, companions or partners, does that make them "God" as well?

  The Bible foretold that Jesus would have companions. Psalm 45:7 promised him: "God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions."

  Remember, Trinitarians say the "shepherd" of Zechariah 13:7 is "God," though the text says he is "the man."

  Trinitarians say the "shepherd" is "God" due to the fact that he is God's "companion." They claim that only someone equal to God could possibly be God's "companion."

  But, if Jesus in Psalm 45:7 is God himself, as Trinitarians claim, what should be said of the "companions" of God in that verse?

  If God's "companion" (in Zechariah 13:7) is equal to God, should not Trinitarians say that the "companions" (in Psalm 45:7) are equal to God? But Trinitarians do not say that. Very Inconsistently they interpret "companion" in one passage to mean "God," but they deny "companions" in another passage are equal to God.

  Just ANOTHER example of how Trinitarians twist and distort the Scriptures!
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  Study Detects Recent Instance of Human Evolution

  by zagor in

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  study detects recent instance of human evolution by nicholas wadea surprisingly recent instance of human evolution has been detected among the peoples of east africa.

  it is the ability to digest milk in adulthood, conferred by genetic changes that occurred as recently as 3,000 years ago, a team of geneticists has found.. the finding is a striking example of a cultural practice the raising of dairy cattle feeding back into the human genome.

  it also seems to be one of the first instances of convergent human evolution to be documented at the genetic level.

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  I hope I can say this without offending anyone. It's not my purpose to offend. I simply want to get something out there on the table.

  Explaining evolution to the average person seems so much like explaining the Trinity. Trinitarians talk above the average person, and so do persons who espouse evolution. You each have your own vocabulary and special comaraderie among fellow believers. And when you use commonly understood terms, you string them out in such long convoluted sentences that we have to ponder your meaning before we can move on.

  But to many of us, you appear to be speaking about fables and a fanciful world never actually seen. Yes, the average person says he believes in evolution and in the Trinity. But hardly anyone can explain those concepts in terms that someone with an average education can understand, let alone a child. Most folks I know accept evolution on faith, not because it has been proven to them. "So-and-so professor believes it, so it must be true." But then we find out that not all professors believe in it.

  I have to accept what seems most logical to me, not what some other person has swallowed hook, line and sinker, or what some educated person claims is true but who seems incapable of making his beliefs simply and plainly understood.

  As I said above, no offense is intended. Just some food for thought for those of you who are so convinced and yet can't comprehend why some of us view your ideas with at least a wee bit of suspicion.

  Frank
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  Study Detects Recent Instance of Human Evolution

  by zagor in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  study detects recent instance of human evolution by nicholas wadea surprisingly recent instance of human evolution has been detected among the peoples of east africa.

  it is the ability to digest milk in adulthood, conferred by genetic changes that occurred as recently as 3,000 years ago, a team of geneticists has found.. the finding is a striking example of a cultural practice the raising of dairy cattle feeding back into the human genome.

  it also seems to be one of the first instances of convergent human evolution to be documented at the genetic level.

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  TD,

  I didn't have in mind biblical "kinds." What I mentioned was from a Toronto newpaper article that I read some weeks ago.

  HB,

  I doubt what you're saying applies in this case. The Japanese (and Korean) families I know are farmers for the most part. They grow their own food, and rarely go to town to shop. The one family that does buy their food have kids that look almost like twins (same approximate heights) of the kids whose parents don't shop.

  Frank
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  Study Detects Recent Instance of Human Evolution

  by zagor in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  study detects recent instance of human evolution by nicholas wadea surprisingly recent instance of human evolution has been detected among the peoples of east africa.

  it is the ability to digest milk in adulthood, conferred by genetic changes that occurred as recently as 3,000 years ago, a team of geneticists has found.. the finding is a striking example of a cultural practice the raising of dairy cattle feeding back into the human genome.

  it also seems to be one of the first instances of convergent human evolution to be documented at the genetic level.

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  fjtoth

  Well, Leolaia, I appreciate your effort, but I'm still not convinced. Possibly I don't follow you completely because I'm unfamiliar with some terms you use, and I haven't the time to make this a deep study.

  I've been friends of several Japanese families for years. The parents are short, very short, but their kids have grown for the most part to be in the 6-foot-tall range. The change is due to getting away from the Japanese diet and eating Canadian and American foods instead. Neither the parents nor I see this drastic change as a mutation or some other characteristic of evolution. We're certain that if the kids moved to Japan and consumed the standard Japanese diet, their kids would probably be of short stature.

  Some of the parents have grown fat while others are slim and athletic. But their kids don't take after their parents in that respect either. In the area of physical development, it seems more reasonable to me that we humans have built into us a tremendous number of possibilities. I don't see the lactose tolerance discovery as anything more than evidence of that built-in adaptability potential.

  Frank
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  Study Detects Recent Instance of Human Evolution

  by zagor in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  study detects recent instance of human evolution by nicholas wadea surprisingly recent instance of human evolution has been detected among the peoples of east africa.

  it is the ability to digest milk in adulthood, conferred by genetic changes that occurred as recently as 3,000 years ago, a team of geneticists has found.. the finding is a striking example of a cultural practice the raising of dairy cattle feeding back into the human genome.

  it also seems to be one of the first instances of convergent human evolution to be documented at the genetic level.

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  fjtoth

  Leolaia,

  After reading your post, am I still missing something? Within a family and within a community and within a geographical area extending hundreds of miles in all directions, there are individuals and groups that are lactate tolerant and those that are not. Not all Swedes and Dutch are comfortable with lactate, though most are. Where's the evidence for evolution?

  Frank
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  Study Detects Recent Instance of Human Evolution

  by zagor in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  study detects recent instance of human evolution by nicholas wadea surprisingly recent instance of human evolution has been detected among the peoples of east africa.

  it is the ability to digest milk in adulthood, conferred by genetic changes that occurred as recently as 3,000 years ago, a team of geneticists has found.. the finding is a striking example of a cultural practice the raising of dairy cattle feeding back into the human genome.

  it also seems to be one of the first instances of convergent human evolution to be documented at the genetic level.

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  Study Detects Recent Instance of Human Evolution

  by zagor in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  study detects recent instance of human evolution by nicholas wadea surprisingly recent instance of human evolution has been detected among the peoples of east africa.

  it is the ability to digest milk in adulthood, conferred by genetic changes that occurred as recently as 3,000 years ago, a team of geneticists has found.. the finding is a striking example of a cultural practice the raising of dairy cattle feeding back into the human genome.

  it also seems to be one of the first instances of convergent human evolution to be documented at the genetic level.

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  fjtoth
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  Study Detects Recent Instance of Human Evolution

  by zagor in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  study detects recent instance of human evolution by nicholas wadea surprisingly recent instance of human evolution has been detected among the peoples of east africa.

  it is the ability to digest milk in adulthood, conferred by genetic changes that occurred as recently as 3,000 years ago, a team of geneticists has found.. the finding is a striking example of a cultural practice the raising of dairy cattle feeding back into the human genome.

  it also seems to be one of the first instances of convergent human evolution to be documented at the genetic level.

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  fjtoth