Posts by fjtoth

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Relief for nighttime leg cramps

by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

okay, i'm closing in on 500 posts, but have almost no 'new topics' to my name.

i don't feel like starting anything profoundly spiritual.

so, i'll share this tip that has worked for my kinfolk.. on both sides of my family, we frequently suffer from nighttime leg craps.

fjtoth

Ann Landers has mentioned this bar of soap thing several times, and each time she does she gets zillions of letters from her readers thanking her and saying they no longer get such cramps. Another suggestion: If you already have leg cramps, just squeeze the skin between your nose and upper lip for immediate relief. Nobody seems to know why the bar of soap thing works, but Ann Landers has said it doesn't matter what brand you use or whether the bar is large or small. Frank

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What do you think of Joyce Meyer?

by JimmyPage in

i know there are a lot of atheists here, but for those who still believe in god- what do you think of joyce meyer?

from the few times i've seen her i enjoy her sense of humor while preaching.

she seems very down to earth and easy to relate to..

fjtoth

Her message is similar to those of Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, Oral Roberts, Juanita Bynum, Kenneth and Gloria Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Benny Hinn, and T. D. Jakes: Believe with all your heart and soul, and give, give, give until you can't give any more. God, she says, loves a cheerful giver. Those who follow God and give generously to his ministries can have anything and everything they want. She rakes in almost $100 million dollars a year from that kind of preaching. I think she's a charlatan with a greed-based gospel, what the apostle Paul would call "another gospel," not one that lines up with the teachings of Jesus.

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JW Mom killed in house

by Wordly Andre in

jw
friends

http://www.pe.com/localnews/murrieta/stories/pe_news_local_s_sdead29.4016de2.html

murrieta - a 40-year-old mother of two was killed in her murrieta home monday morning, authorities said.

coroner's officials identified the woman as isabelle jarka.

fjtoth

Lalala,

Most of the messages I referred to were from non-JWs. Those messages were sent to Murrieta and vicinity newspapers. For the most part they expressed concern for Isabelle's children. On the other hand, there were messages from JWs. At the time I wrote about them, those messages for the most part tried to play down the fact that Kelle Jarka is guilty. They urged readers not to jump to conclusions. A few JWs even stated that the police have been wrong in the past and that they could very well be mistaken this time too. The only JW messages I saw that expressed any concern for the children were from Isabelle's immediate relatives.

Believe what you want, but that isn't something I've implied. I didn't make it up. It is fact.

If you can't accept the truth of the matter, you shouldn't be here. Instead of trying to pick a fight by accusing someone of being wrong "quite often," you should be obeying the instructions the Society has repeatedly given you to stay away from non-JW websites. Despite your unpleasant feelings toward me, I wish you well.

Frank

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Bethel- Which Governing Body member had a Nervous Breakdown and why?

by Witness 007 in

{from watchtower life story- please note the pressure put on him at bethel}.

in 1934 karl klien had a nervous breakdown while serving at bethel.

baptized at 12 he didn't go door to door till he was 18...while serving as a teenage elder!

fjtoth

"In 1974 I was invited to become a member of the Governing Body...I NEEDED ENCOURAGEMENT TO ACCEPT IT."

That statement is such a farce! My room was at the opposite end of the 10th floor in the 107 building where Klein and his wife were living. Our rooms were half a city block from each other. One day I heard this loud shout, something like "Yippee! Wha-hoo!" A few minutes later I stepped out of my room and asked a neighbor what all the commotion was about. She told me that Klein had just gotten a letter inviting him to be on the Governing Body.

Occasionally I was the driver who took Knorr, Klein and others to the airport. As such I heard both speak of their contempt toward each other. In my presence Knorr called Klein a "nut" and said "the only reason we keep him is because he's a good writer." On another occasion Klein went on and on about how Knorr was the most obstinate man on the GB.

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JW Mom killed in house

by Wordly Andre in

jw
friends

http://www.pe.com/localnews/murrieta/stories/pe_news_local_s_sdead29.4016de2.html

murrieta - a 40-year-old mother of two was killed in her murrieta home monday morning, authorities said.

coroner's officials identified the woman as isabelle jarka.

fjtoth

In a "Topix" forum called "JW Murdered Mom Update," a JW defender asks, "Why is it that when a crime is committed, the church that they belong to is not newsworthy UNLESS it happens to be a JW. ... I believe the only time a criminal's religion should be mentioned is if it plays a significant role in the crime."

These are answers given by other forum participants:

"And how is that different from the crimes of churchgoers reported in Watchtower literature?"
"These types of cases are on the news all the time. It is when the person is associated with an organization that claims to be upstanding that it gets called out into the spotlight. [For example, in t]he Drew Peterson case he was a police officer, someone who is supposed to be upstanding and honest ... So don't take it so hard against your religon."
"It might have something to do with that 'only true religion' title you guys bestowed upon yourselves. Not to mention all that boasting about being the only people that will be worthy enough to avoid being annilhilated during God's wrath. Drop the self-aggrandizing, and the media might cut you some slack."
"Why? Because JW's are so holy and pure--or so they think!"

See http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-witness/TO2EUERIIPU0BT17T

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JW Mom killed in house

by Wordly Andre in

jw
friends

http://www.pe.com/localnews/murrieta/stories/pe_news_local_s_sdead29.4016de2.html

murrieta - a 40-year-old mother of two was killed in her murrieta home monday morning, authorities said.

coroner's officials identified the woman as isabelle jarka.

fjtoth

KCAL, Channel 2, Los Angeles, California

May 23, 2008 5:42 pm US/Pacific

Cops: Murrieta Man Killed His Wife For Insurance $

MURRIETA Prosecutors say a Murrieta man murdered his wife for $1 million in insurance money.

Kelle Lee Jarka, 39, is behind bars after being arrested Thursday, according to police and prosecutors.

He is accused of killing Isabelle Jarka, 40, April 28 in the bedroom of the couple's home in the 39000 block of Tamarisk St., said Murrieta police Lt. Dennis Vrooman.

She had suffered head trauma, Vrooman said.

Weeks before his wife's death, Jarka had taken out life insurance policies on her totaling more than $1 million, and investigators believe he set up the crime scene to make it look like a burglary.

Following a nearly month-long investigation, Jarka was arrested Thursday by detectives as he sat in Family Court, waiting for a custody hearing to get his children back, Vrooman said.

The children -- a 12-year-old girl and a 7-month-old boy -- had been
staying with relatives, he said.

Jarka will be charged with murder and a sentence-enhancing special circumstance allegation of murder for financial gain.

If convicted he could be sentenced to death or life in prison, said Ryan Hightower of the District Attorney's Office.

Prosecutors say Jarka murdered his wife and then staged the crime scene to look like a robbery. The day Isabelle Jarka died, her husband told police he had gone out early that morning to buy some things and when he returned he found the side door to the garage forced open and his wife dead upstairs.

Jarka's initial call to emergency dispatch was to report a burglary, and he waited 26 seconds before revealing his wife may have been murdered, Vrooman said.

During the police investigation, Jarka told officers he had gone to pick up baby formula, even though there was plenty of formula in the house, and
his other statements were inconsistent with evidence collected at the scene, Vrooman said.

The couple's children had spent the night before at their grandparents' home across the street.

The Jarkas belonged to a Jehovah's Witnesses congregation, and neighbors said they pretty much kept to themselves, except when Isabelle joined others in her congregation to knock on neighborhood doors.

Jarka is scheduled to be arraigned Tuesday at the Murrieta Courthouse.

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Rutherford, Wm Heath Sr, and Coca Cola

by startingover in

there has been much reference to wm heath, both sr. and jr. on this forum in connection with rutherford.

i did some research on the connection of heath sr. with coca cola and it seems to be non existent except on websites where rutherford is being discussed.

i could find no connection anywhere else.. can anyone enlighten me on this matter?.

fjtoth

Startingover,

I found the same thing. But what I also found were a few sites that speak only of "Heath" without giving his full name. And there they mentioned that he was a chemist who developed the Coca Cola formula and who founded the company but with a different name in the beginning. I'm sorry, but I can't remember right now what websites point that out. So there does seem to be a conflict, with some claiming Heath and others claiming Pemberton as the company's founder.

Frank

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JW Mom killed in house

by Wordly Andre in

jw
friends

http://www.pe.com/localnews/murrieta/stories/pe_news_local_s_sdead29.4016de2.html

murrieta - a 40-year-old mother of two was killed in her murrieta home monday morning, authorities said.

coroner's officials identified the woman as isabelle jarka.

fjtoth

Lalala,

I wasn't implying anything. I was simply struck by the difference in how JWs and others were reacting to the tragedy. Those who are obviously not JWs expressed strong emotional concern for the children left behind, while those who made it clear that they are JWs, with the exception of Isabelle's relatives, make very little if any mention of the children. These are not expressions they made on the internet but in the local Murrieta area newspapers.

I think you make a poor defense of JWs when you label some of them as 'not the best example' and as "nuts." To say they defended Kelle because they realized they had been duped by him just doesn't make sense. It's the same as saying JWs will defend evil to make themselves look good, something which I happen to believe is true, based upon my life experience with them.

I hope it isn't true, but I tend to think that you yourself are more offended by this thread than you are by the event that prompted it. I could be wrong, and I hope I am. If you are offended, you have no one to blame but yourself. If you don't want to be hurt emotionally, I suggest it would be better to follow the Society's advice and stay away from websites that the Society doesn't endorse. I don't say that to be mean, but this is life. We have nothing but love for individual JWs. Sadly for many of them, though, JWs under the Society's direction generally don't see us that way.

Frank

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Rutherford, Wm Heath Sr, and Coca Cola

by startingover in

there has been much reference to wm heath, both sr. and jr. on this forum in connection with rutherford.

i did some research on the connection of heath sr. with coca cola and it seems to be non existent except on websites where rutherford is being discussed.

i could find no connection anywhere else.. can anyone enlighten me on this matter?.

fjtoth

This is what I have:

Joseph Franklin Rutherford was born in Morgan County, Missouri on November 8, 1869.

He died in San Diego, California on January 8, 1942 at the age of 72.

His father's name was James Calvin Rutherford who died in Versailles, Missouri on July 11, 1912.

His mother's name was Lenora Strickland who died in Versailles, Missouri on October 9, 1926.

J. F. Rutherford had 5 sisters (Flora, Anna, Virginia, Ella and Lena) and 2 brothers (James B. and W.P.).

J. F. Rutherford married Mary Fetzer in December 1890.

Joseph and Mary Rutherford had one son, Malcolm Cameron Rutherford, who was born in Missouri on November 10, 1892 and who died in Arcadia, California on June 22, 1989.

William Pratt Heath Jr. was born in Atlanta, Georgia on November 17, 1903 and died in Florida in August 1981.

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JW Mom killed in house

by Wordly Andre in

jw
friends

http://www.pe.com/localnews/murrieta/stories/pe_news_local_s_sdead29.4016de2.html

murrieta - a 40-year-old mother of two was killed in her murrieta home monday morning, authorities said.

coroner's officials identified the woman as isabelle jarka.

fjtoth

Rachel,

No, as Dagney said, Kelle Jarka was not an elder. He is the owner of Krew General Engineering. As a general contractor his specialties have been single-family houses and gradings of highways, streets and airport runways. That kind of responsibility probably kept him away from meetings and field service to the extent that he didn't qualify to be an elder. As suggested by some of the newspaper responses from his friends, he spent time entertaining other JWs aboard his pleasure boat. Possibly his debts came about from contract underbidding and having to make up the difference from his own pocket. They play with big money in his type of business. I have no evidence for it and I'm just guessing, but here's an additional thought: Men like him offer their time and equipment free of charge to such Watchtower projects as Kingdom Hall and Assembly Hall construction, and who knows how much they do this to the detriment of their business and livelihood?

Frank