Posts by fjtoth
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37Truthfully..do you think you are being shunned or.......
by Snoozy inmany on here say they are being shunned by their family members.in some case this is probably true.
but seriously..could it be that they have a life and they may not have time for you anyway?
or finds you not too much fun to be around?.
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Truthfully..do you think you are being shunned or.......
by Snoozy inmany on here say they are being shunned by their family members.in some case this is probably true.
but seriously..could it be that they have a life and they may not have time for you anyway?
or finds you not too much fun to be around?.
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fjtoth
Snoozy,
I haven't read any of your other posts, so I don't know how familiar you are with JWs. You seem to be very uninformed about the Watchtower's disfellowshipping policy.
I've sent cards only to have them returned unopened with the message on the outside to the effect that "we don't accept junk mail at this house" or even "Get out of my life!"
They hang up on me when they recognize my voice and won't open the door when I pay a visit. They make up and spread wicked stories about my past that have no resemblance to the truth.
I'm a positive person, and I'm respectful of others. I know JWs don't want to talk religion with anyone who left their organization, so I would never talk about it with them unless they brought it up.
Surely you know all this is true. So what's your point, really?
Frank
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Just returned from the 2006 (Armageddon's here) "Deliverance At Hand" DO
by apocalypse inhow much can one person gag?
it is interesting to note that clive thomas (canadian branch office) spoke during his part in such a way as to betray the fact that he was personally aware that what he was saying was false.. it's one thing when a local onion gets exuberant about parroting the gb's nonsense.
it's quite another when a bloodsucker like clive comes from the branch and does a "bait 'n switch" the way he did.
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CONVENTION DEMONSTRATION OF PHONOGRAPH WORK AT 1937 COLUMBUS, OHIO CONVENTION.
How times have changed! Formerly the WT Society took advantage of the most modern means for getting out the JW message. The Society was among the first to utilize person-to-person home contacts, the printing press, movies, sound equipment, the radio, the phonograph, sound cars, cassette tapes, CDs, etc. They haven't hesitated to "get in your face" in their use of these methods.
But what about today, when one of the most useful and successful tools, the internet, is available to spread their message? They're afraid of it!!! They don't want their members to use it or even to turn it on and look at it. Think of how much more they could accomplish if each congregation set up its own website, and especially if each member did so! Instead, they prefer to continue using the outdated and extremely slow door-to-door method, a means that fails to accomplish the desired goal of rapid new membership and that annoyingly interupts today's busy schedules.
They've given up on the radio, television, the phonograph, sound cars and, to a great extent, cassette tapes, but they still haven't caught on to the positive aspects of the internet due to their fear of the growing negative impact it is having upon the organization.
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Just returned from the 2006 (Armageddon's here) "Deliverance At Hand" DO
by apocalypse inhow much can one person gag?
it is interesting to note that clive thomas (canadian branch office) spoke during his part in such a way as to betray the fact that he was personally aware that what he was saying was false.. it's one thing when a local onion gets exuberant about parroting the gb's nonsense.
it's quite another when a bloodsucker like clive comes from the branch and does a "bait 'n switch" the way he did.
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fjtoth
Did Grant Suiter have a good life proclaiming this nonesense?
Grant Suiter is one I can thank for helping me to realize that Brooklyn headquarters is a most unloving place to be, even for members of the GB. At the urging of some Bethelite friends who seemed to know him well, I went to Suiter with a problem that was causing me distress to no end. I was losing sleep over it for months and felt so trapped by it that I might have run away never to return had I not been married. I had already gone to GB member Carey Barber about the problem, only to find that he himself was somewhat downhearted due to a situation very similar to mine, caused by the arbitrary behaviour of other GB members, one of whom, Karl Klein, was acting like a real jerk in his day-to-day dealings with me. Barber's solution was that we both should "wait on Jehovah" to correct our respective sad state of affairs.
I shouldn't have done it, but in pouring my heart out to Suiter I mentioned that I had gone to Barber, and I casually shared a comment that Barber had made. I was surprised that Suiter was willing to take more than an hour from his busy schedule to hear me out. Little did I realize that as he asked me questions that led me to tell him more and more, he was really zeroing in on anything and everything that Barber had told me. He assured me that he would do what he could to help me in my situation, especially with Klein.
Well, the GB disappeared for the next two days. We didn't see them in the hallways or at mealtimes. The third day I ran into Klein as I was about to open a door from the stairway to the library. He looked at me straight in the eyes and said "You tried to ruin me, didn't you? You wanted to give me a bad name. You tried to get me removed from the Governing Body, didn't you?" I replied, "Brother Klein, maybe you and I should talk about this." As he slammed the door in my face, he yelled "There is absolutely nothing to talk about with you, you ..."
Later, as I was walking by Barber's little office -- very little in comparison with Suiter's spacious area in the Treasurer's Office -- I wished him "Good Morning, Brother Barber." In a voice that sounded like a very tired old man, he asked me to step into his office and said, "Frank, how could you? How could you? Do you realize how much trouble you put me through these past few days? I was cross-examined and put through the mill by every member of the Governing Body due to what you confided to Grant Suiter. These two days have been the worst days of my life." I apologized and almost started to weep. I felt just awful for having gone to anybody at all with my problems. I really felt sorry for Barber, and I regretted how much I had hurt him.
Well, what about Suiter, the man who said he was going to help me? I never heard from him again, except when he presided over the morning text discussions and made comments in the Bethel "family" Watchtower Study. His emphasis was always on the importance of "waiting on Jehovah" to solve any problems we have. In the meantime, my problems grew worse until I took the initiative to get away from Klein by requesting a change of assignment to another department.
I was disappointed in Suiter and began to see him only as a politician like other politicians on the GB, politicians whose only purpose in life seemed to be the maintaining of a pleasing and favourable impression among peers. Convention time was that time of the year that gave each of them an opportunity to put on airs before the R&F and to strut their stuff to show how devoted they are to "God's organization."
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BRCI today!!!
by Check_Your_Premises inhttp://www.brci.org/conferences.html
the real convention.. i was going to try to pop in tomorrow myself.. anybody else?.
cyp
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fjtoth
Grace,
Thanks. I arranged to leave work early, but my replacement didn't show up in time because another worker gave him wrong directions. I got to the restaurant around 4:10, but everybody was gone. I felt terrible for having to miss seeing you all, but it was completely out of my control.
All the best,
Frank
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BRCI today!!!
by Check_Your_Premises inhttp://www.brci.org/conferences.html
the real convention.. i was going to try to pop in tomorrow myself.. anybody else?.
cyp
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fjtoth
Coffee,
Tell them Frank Toth sends his love and best wishes to all. I really miss those guys and gals. They gave me great support as I was leaving JWs at age 58 after 50 years. I don't know what I would have done without them at that time and for years thereafter. Granma "Mouthy" has also been a great friend. I can't make it this time, but hopefully next year.
Frank
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PROTEST RALLY AT WATCHTOWER SOCIETY
by SHUNNED FATHER inwe had a fun time last june at the protest and afterward we got together for a meal.
i hope to see you this june.
last june , i was invited to the ctv television studio and was interviewed live on canada am which is shown from coast to coast.
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PROTEST RALLY AT WATCHTOWER SOCIETY
by SHUNNED FATHER inwe had a fun time last june at the protest and afterward we got together for a meal.
i hope to see you this june.
last june , i was invited to the ctv television studio and was interviewed live on canada am which is shown from coast to coast.
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PROTEST RALLY AT WATCHTOWER SOCIETY
by SHUNNED FATHER inwe had a fun time last june at the protest and afterward we got together for a meal.
i hope to see you this june.
last june , i was invited to the ctv television studio and was interviewed live on canada am which is shown from coast to coast.
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fjtoth
I have to work late on Friday and most of the day on Saturday since several workers at our company are away on vacation this week. I'll be there late in the day on Saturday, though, hoping to meet some or all of you who are there.
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Picture of Mouthy Granny Grace
by mouthys_gdaughter ini'm mouthy's grand daughter... she emailed me and said y'all wanna see a picture of what she looks like.
in order to do that i had to sign up.
i hope she doesn't mind ;)
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fjtoth
I will be there if I dont kick the bucket before