Thanks Rocketman. You guys here are good friends and your kind words of support and validation have made the difference between feeling happy and feeling sad.
This forum has helped change my life for the better.
I love you guys.
Cheers, Bliss
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Elder's comment
by CaptK inthis is unbelievable.
i was at the watchtower meeting last sunday and one elder gave an answer that jw 's do not have the problems like the cathlic church where the preist are molesting boys or the church has to pay huge sums of money out to abused cases.
is he not aware what is happening within the jw organization ?
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Just VENTING...
by Confucious inhey friends,.
i had a chance encounter with one of the elders in the congregation i was in today.. guys, still today, i feel like a broken man.
somedays i just want to sit and home a cry all day for all the pain this organization has given me.. i came out from the "world" and came into the "truth.
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BLISSISIGNORANCE
((((((((((((((((Con))))))))))))))
I'm sorry for your pain, I really am.
That organization has hurt so many people in one way or another. It has taken people's time, money, youth, family, health, freedom, peace, to name a few!
But one thing they can't take from us is eachother. On this forum we have friends and support. We get understanding and respect because we have things in common. All of us can relate to someone here.
Another thing the borg can't take from us is the greatest healer................TIME. And it really works.
So hang in there, vent as much as you need................we understand................and look forward, there is light at the end of the tunnel.
All the best and cheers,
Bliss
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Elder's comment
by CaptK inthis is unbelievable.
i was at the watchtower meeting last sunday and one elder gave an answer that jw 's do not have the problems like the cathlic church where the preist are molesting boys or the church has to pay huge sums of money out to abused cases.
is he not aware what is happening within the jw organization ?
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BLISSISIGNORANCE
Firstly, welcome CptnK........................you'll find the more you read and post here, the more you will see precisley what the WTS is about.
Is he not aware what is happening within the JW organization ?
Are they not aware of what is going on in the WT organization
From personal experience I believe more dubs know what is happening than what they let on, elders must know........and the R&F too!
When my child was sexually abused and the matter came up in various conversations, it amazed me how many sisters knew of other sexual abuse incidents within the borg. It was like.....'oh yeh, I knew a bro. in XXXX who interfered with a sister's young boy'.................etc, etc. It was as if every sister knew of at least one case within the borg. It blew me away because I thought what happened to my child was a rare thing.
Then when I talked about the matter MORE than the elders liked, they got a JC together with 2 false witnesses (one was one of the elder's on my case daughter) and they df'ed me a year later. So those elders knew all about it. The family of the pedophile knew what he did yet allowed him to be around other children, they all knew, the sisters I told knew about him too, yet chose to minimise the matter and let their kids play with him and his sister.............who by the way.............I believe was abused by him too and she turned out gay! They ALL knew!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My best friend (whose letter I posted on this forum) knew yet stood by the borg rather than the victim and her friend!
So they are ALL aware, just playing dumb. Sure, there are some who don't know, not many though. With all the evidence coming out now they are drawing a long bow with the...............'oh, that's not true about the borg. We don't have those problems like all the other churches.' or 'well I don't know of any such thing, never happened to me'...........defending the indefencible!
One of the most powerful reasons my family stopped going to meetings so suddenly was that when we found out through the 'silent lambs', JWD, and the media.............we knew the truth about the borg! And we could no longer promote a bad product!
Can you imagine how my child and myself felt when a comment like the one you mention, was made at a meeting. Listening to dubs pride themselves in how good they are yet, I knew the horrible truth. And when one of the sisters that was a witness against me, who knew what happened to my child, made a comment at the meeting that sexual abuse isn't a problem in the borg.......................I could have spat on her. I was ready to explode. I pulled her up after the meeting and told her that her comment offended me and my child and that she should think about what she says before she opens her mouth, especially with what she knows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The comments at their meetings are offensive to the victims, insulting to the intelligent and deceiptful to the innocent. Don't ever think that they are making those comments in ignorance. Especially elders..............they know soooooooooo much! What is happening is that the borg is trying to keep the uninformed and trusting in the dark.................and the scared ones are being fed lies, many know they are lies but accept them for their own salvation!
The WTS is trying to cover up as much as it can, and there is alot for them to cover up! But now there is too much technology for them to control and the information is out for ALL to see.
Sorry for the long-winded response but this is an issue close to my heart!
Thanks for reading and cheers, Bliss
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Picture of where you live
by RAYZORBLADE infor some of us on this forum, we're so far away from one another.
out of curiosity, do any of you have any photos of where you are from, or the communities that you live in?
here's one of toronto.
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Canberra............................Australian Capital Territory
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Newbie here
by casurfguy inhey one and all!!
i am new to this and just wanted to say hi!
i live in s. california and am looking for some good advice and/or friends in this area.
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BLISSISIGNORANCE
Welcome from down under..........................great to have you here.
Cheers, Bliss
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Which songs do you members over 40...and then members under 40
by berylblue inwhich songs do all of you over 40 feel are must-listens for those of every age?
conversely, i really would like to know what the younger ones here think are the must -hear songs for every generation.
without my daughters in my life, i don't get to hear the better offerings of the new artists.
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Patti Smith.................Janis Joplin..................Any Funk Bros. or Motown.......................Mamas and Papas.................Ella, Aretha, Billie, Nina........................any Latin music of course.
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John Ritter Died
by Redneck injust heard this on the news..he had massive heart attack..he was i believe they said 54..i loved him in 3's company..was a good acter...
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BLISSISIGNORANCE
He was well know in Australia too..................................
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If you could tell a dub something straight from the heart..................
by BLISSISIGNORANCE indon't hold back.
whether it's an elder, a co, a family member, a friend, a witness who dobbed you in, someone who shunned you yesterday at the mall, anyone at all who you would like to tell!
vent!.
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BLISSISIGNORANCE
......................................what would it be?
Don't hold back. Say it as it is. Whether it's an elder, a CO, a family member, a friend, a witness who dobbed you in, someone who shunned you yesterday at the mall, anyone at all who you would like to tell! VENT!
I'ld love to tell one of the elders that df'ed me that no matter how many people he may bring in, it will never make up for the damage he did to my family. And to the other two elders I'ld like to say......................you are both pathetic sh#@*
So, go for it............................
Cheers, Bliss.
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What's the most ridiculous thing you were ever counselled on?
by micheal inone of the cornerstones of jw's is counsel.
they just love to give counsel and many times they will literally make things up just for the sake of counsel.
i was once counselled for joking around too much.
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Ozzie.................................not today, remember?????????????????/
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Did you ever say/do anything as a dub that went against your conscience?
by BLISSISIGNORANCE ini ask this question because now that i'm out of the borg and see things for what they are, i have been reflecting on what i did and said as a dub.. i truly believed in the preaching work when i was in.
i believed in alot of the things from the bible.
so for me, the preaching was something i enjoyed.
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BLISSISIGNORANCE
Hi everyone.
I ask this question because now that I'm out of the borg and see things for what they are, I have been reflecting on what I did and said as a dub.
I truly believed in the preaching work when I was in. I believed in alot of the things from the bible. So for me, the preaching was something I enjoyed. I didn't have a problem using the bible either. If it was clear to me, I would discuss it and refer to the bible.
But all that changed as years went by and I started to understand things differently. There were many things I started to question about the borg, not so much the bible. The shunning, the df'ing, bringing up children the WTS way, the never ending meetings, the man-made rules and quotas about preaching etc., the hypocracy...........................................and the list goes on.
The crunch came for me though when my family experienced the sexual abuse of one of my children and a year later, my df'ing for talking about the matter, which led to false charges of slander!
After being reinstated things were never to be the same again for me, or my entire family. For some years after, I thought I was just a rare, one off, unlucky victim of corruption and evil elders. So I would push myself to go preaching, to meetings, brow-beat the children etc.
But once I started to investigate and saw what was going on in the borg, and the number of sexual and physical abuse victims being so high, I started to question my involvement and responsability to others.
And after the 'Sunday' show in Australia went to air I just could NOT go to anyone's door ever again and try to convince them that they should join the borg. My conscience wouldn't allow that now that I knew so much. How could I invite anyone to meetings or to start a study, knowing that the borg punishes a victim and protects the abuser? How would I live with the knowledge that I encouraged the person to join, aware of their policies, corruption and lies....................having experienced them first hand? And if then something happened to them or their family................oooooooohhhhhhhh.....................I feel ill thinking about it.
Also, what about my children seeing their mother put up with unjust, unscriptural, unloving, corrupt, abusive treatment. What message is that sending to them? I don't want them growing up and putting up with that because I brought them up teaching them it was ok to be a victim! Or doing it to others because in the borg you get away with it, being the abuser!
The worst thing I did that went against my conscience was to not celebrate birthdays. I do regret that, my children missed out and that makes me sad.....................................BUT, it's never to late to say 'sorry' and move on. We now have birthdays and my son and daughter will be having a combined dinner party at home next month.
Hope the above makes sense and I look forward to your responses.
Cheers, Bliss
