Hey Rockman,
Grab a Bible and a "your-Native-Language to English" dictionary, stick around and learn the Truth.
You will be shocked at the lies you are being taught in the Kingdom Hall.
Merry Christmas and a very prosperous New Year!
Marcos
Marcos
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What's going on ?
by Rockmangames inwhy are people here said happy birthday..cheers..etc etc which that are against in jehovah's eyes when it is jehovahs witness forum here ?
dont they see that its is j e h o v a h s - w i t n e s s forum ?
i am so confused and i am so lost.
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Could be an angel
by Marcos inmexico, monday the 23rd.. as i sit here spending time scanning this website i am interrupted by yet another beggar at my front gate.. sad story.
he's from columbia.
has an open wound on his leg and just wants some work so he can go to the hospital and avoid infection.
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Hi Shari!
First of all, how is your son doing? Mine is sitting in the livingroom watching tv right now. (Thank God he is at home.)
I had a friend once. Her name is Martha.(she is now a JW thanks to me) She is from Quatamala(sp) She had to come here in order to send money home to feed her children. Her husband passed away and there were no jobs for her where she lived.
Yes, Guatemala is OUR Mexico. Things are really hard over there. It is common for people from here too to go to the US and send money home. It is a major part of the economy in many countries. I think almost any parent would do what they had to do to feed their children.
As for Americans being spoiled; I guess that is one way of stating it. Some are, you can see it by the way they freak out if they don't get their way down here. The kids (some, enough to merit a generalization) on Spring Break are a major source of embarassment for their parents as well as for us.
When I lived in Japan what I saw made me look at Japan as a sort of island Disneyland. The kids and most adults just could not conceive of the realities of life outside of Japan. They had around the clock care. The realities of the world outside just didn't penetrate the wall between them and the rest of the world.
The US and Canada are similar in that, if someone has no ties to the outside world, the realities of that world are far off and unreal. I know, I've lived there. People are nice, well meaning people. They are just naive. I have actually heard people say, "Tijuana is not the REAL MEXICO". Fact is, it IS the "real Mexico". Its just not Puerto Vallarta, Cancun or Acapulco.
It is pretty easy to talk about what people "should" do to take care of their problems. It is quite another to actually be involved in it day in and day out.
Only by experiencing a culture and participating in it can you really comprehend to any degree what might be the route to any solution.
Mole Poblano. Hmmm. Well, it is not my specialty. But, I will ask around. Our mole is probably a little different than what you have in mind. Oaxaca (state) is famous for it's mole. Chiapas (my home state) has its own ideas. I'll try to find something acceptable. You do know that, at least here, a lot of chocolate is used in the mix?
I'll try to come up with something.
Nice talking to you again.
Marcos
Oh, yeah, Lilacs, Xander and all, Merry Christmas!
Island Woman, thanks for your post. Your mom sounds great and so typical!
Edited by - marcos on 24 December 2002 0:42:45
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Could be an angel
by Marcos inmexico, monday the 23rd.. as i sit here spending time scanning this website i am interrupted by yet another beggar at my front gate.. sad story.
he's from columbia.
has an open wound on his leg and just wants some work so he can go to the hospital and avoid infection.
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Marcos
No argument.
The trick, of course, is for the people in the poorer countries to STOP REPRODUCING BEYOND THEIR MEANS TO SUPPORT.
However, we are now entering into the sacred bedroom. Mention to an American that you would like to regulate how many children they can have and you are just asking for trouble. In the educated class of Latin Americans, the rate of birth is lower. I am thinking that the same is true, generally, for families in the first world. Do the less well educated people in most countries tend to have more children than they can support? I believe so.
Humans seem to be more emotional than rational.
I understand that many tend to look at this problem from more of a practical standpoint than Christian. My point still has more to do with what IS than with what SHOULD BE.
Thanks,
Marcos
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Could be an angel
by Marcos inmexico, monday the 23rd.. as i sit here spending time scanning this website i am interrupted by yet another beggar at my front gate.. sad story.
he's from columbia.
has an open wound on his leg and just wants some work so he can go to the hospital and avoid infection.
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Marcos
I also have had a lot of the experiences you all have mentioned:
I live in San Francisco and there are many bums on the street.
I was tapped last night by a lad feining interest in my religion to try to get a freebee.
I think that we can all more or less spot a con. But there are many people who are actually in need. My time dealing with people trying to scam did a lot to harden my attitude toward beggars. The thing is, not everyone is a con-artist. I have seen people who are really in need.
I am far from being a liberal. I am very conservative in my life and not easily fooled. I have no interest in preaching about the "poor, downtrodden masses". But, please understand that the context is different. This is the third world on the border with the fourth world. The majority of the beggars that I see are really in need.
I mean no personal criticism when I say you should take a look outside the US and Canada sometime to see what a lot of people go through. For example, visit Mexico. Not Acapulco or Cancun. But, Mexico. More of the world is like what we see here everyday than what it is like in first world countries.
Hell, visit Cuba. See what being shunned for more than 40 years has done to people there. Instead of spending a vacation on the Varadero (the tourist-oriented peninsula northeast of Havana) visit some of the small towns. Walk around (you can do that in Cuba day or night) and see how the people live. Truth is, people actually live better in Cuba than in most of Latin America. Moreover, they are more neighbor-oriented than in most of the first world.
The examples I give are not intended to show how selfish and insensitive you all are and how sensitive and caring we are. It is more to do with a real sense of frustration at seeing a lot of suffering and only being able to offer a piece of bread or a couple of pesos at most. It has more to do with seeing people who have been "running on empty" for decades, real nice people, and wishing there was more I could do.
Some of the Scriptures that really hit home deal with "giving to he that asks" and "clothing one who is naked" (I have experienced this) and "giving water to someone who is thirsty". Taking care of widows and fatherless boys.
These things are on my mind right now not just because of the season. It is more out of a sense of frustration. The look that I get when someone asks me for "just a couple or tortillas" when all you have in the house is your last pot of rice and you have to feed your own kid.
I think it is wise to not be taken in by scammers. But, it is also good to do good where we can. I just feel badly for the ones I have to turn away...
Marcos
P.S. I don't need money! Things always work out one way or another. Just felt the need to share some of the hard realities of life on the other side of the barbwire fence.
Edited by - marcos on 23 December 2002 23:8:22
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Could be an angel
by Marcos inmexico, monday the 23rd.. as i sit here spending time scanning this website i am interrupted by yet another beggar at my front gate.. sad story.
he's from columbia.
has an open wound on his leg and just wants some work so he can go to the hospital and avoid infection.
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Marcos
Thanks Xander.
I'm fairly familiar with the view on beggars in the first-world countries.
Here, we not only have citizens who are destitute but we have a major problem with people from (mostly) Central America crossing the border in the jungle and in the mountains on their way to live with you. We are probably talking about thousands every month. The national government under pressure from the US treats them very badly. The people here really don't treat them badly.
But, it does bother me when I have to interact with them. It is difficult to tell them "go and be in good health" when you see how bad off they are. Thing is, charity seems to have its limit. I have run off some guys who come thru our neighborhood regularly. They can be rude and demanding. Threatened to show one my gun once before he would leave. (Don't have one but the threat worked).
A lot of people are really in need but when it comes to paying the rent and feeding my family I have to opt for taking care of my family. Even giving people one Peso is sometimes impossible. Makes me feel pretty badly.
I mentioned this (lack of much money) once on the chat just in passing. One of the people mentioned that it was interesting that I had access to the Internet. My job revolves around the Internet. Having access is a necessity. But it doesn't guarantee that one is flush with cash either.
Social services are sorely lacking here. Even the locals can't get help. So you can imagine that the govt. is not in the least interested in adding foreigners to list of people to help.
There is really not much point to this post except to wonder what you guys might do in a similar situation. I try to be charitable (contrary to what I was taught by the WT) but, it keeps getting worse. And the scary thing is that encouraging people to just stay where they are is not an option. They CAN'T stay where they are. It is quite literally "leave of die". It creates a true moral dilemma.
Anyway, thanks for the input.
Marcos
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Could be an angel
by Marcos inmexico, monday the 23rd.. as i sit here spending time scanning this website i am interrupted by yet another beggar at my front gate.. sad story.
he's from columbia.
has an open wound on his leg and just wants some work so he can go to the hospital and avoid infection.
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Marcos
Mexico, Monday the 23rd.
As I sit here spending time scanning this website I am interrupted by yet another beggar at my front gate.
Sad story. He's from Columbia. Has an open wound on his leg and just wants some work so he can go to the hospital and avoid infection. He's also drunk (or drugged). He asks for money, I give him something to eat.
I think, if there is money for booze or drugs, there must be enough for food or medicine. But, I know too that when one is in a hopeless situation, rational thinking can be one of the first casualties.
People here are very generous. They almost always give to a beggar. However, like me, they have very little to share and families to take care of.
This happens here every day. How would you deal with it?
Marcos
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Anyone from Caribbean or smaller nations?
by Decidedly_Unsure injust curious.
seems like almost all posters here are either from north america, australia or uk.
are there are any others living on smaller or different rocks?
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Marcos
Hi Decidedly_Unsure.
I'm from Mexico.
I do not use my real name because I have found it decidedly unwise to do so on the Internet.
Marcos
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the bible making sense
by jurs inbefore i had started studying with the jw's i had tried to read the bible.
it didn't make sense to me.
(in all honesty, i didn't try real hard nor did i put forth alot of time into my readings).
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Marcos
Just "popping in" to make a quick observation.
Please bear in mind that Yardirf is an apostate:
And, to your surprise, the day will come when the WTS agrees too.
He is running ahead of the F&DS and making pronouncements on their behalf. Should we be discussing spiritual matters with such a one?
They are surely being recognized by Jesus as being that "slave" simply because they sincerely asked for the job and because they sincerely do their best trying to fulfill the responsibilities that come with that job. Based on that, who else would be better qualified so that Jesus should select them instead? When Jesus does arrive, it will be them that receives the appointment over "all his belongings".
Just "sincerely asking" for a job doesn't guarantee that you will get the job from Jehovah. We are also instructed to judge "by their fruits". Their fruits are rotten and misshapen. They do make pronouncements as coming from the Lord and have never, in my understanding been correct. The fit exactly the definition of a "false prophet"
The tenor of the communications from this person are remeniscent of the reasonings of a 16-year-old. Surely not worthy serious consideration. Why waste the time and bandwidth?
Most other posters here have real experience with the WT and some of us have direct experience with the GB. This person (Lefty, et al) appears to be in the dark as to reality. Best not to respond to him as he does to people on this board by being condescending and rude (vg. "dummy").
Yes, I am advocating shunning him.
I know the truth regarding the WT and see no need to worry about the opinion of a "fly on the wall" (see Lefty's picture). Perhaps by just letting him read the experiences here he will gain some wisdom.
Marcos (of the shooing-away-flies class)
Edited by - marcos on 23 December 2002 14:5:45
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Who likes winter?
by JH inwell, today is the first day of winter.
winter here in canada is cold and long.
we have about 4 to 5 months of damn snow every year.
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Marcos
Hey JH,
My son went frome here (Southern Mexico) to Quebec a few years ago for a Scout get-together. It was in the winter and he had a fantastic time! Still talks about it. Thing is, he doesn't speak French or English yet he still raves about it.
Me, well I live here. Cold doesn't interest me much.
Merry Christmas, Feliz Navidad.
Marcos
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I need advise please
by WildHorses ini once posted about my son, and his being given a ticket for public intoxication.
well, he came home a while ago drunk.
i flew off the handle and we had a few words.
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Marcos
Befor I forget, by all means do alert the cops to the adults you are aware of who are supplying to minors. Don't think I would bother threatening.
Chiapas
Where exactly is that? I almost ran over and man lying in the road in Saltio.(not sure if I spelled that correctly) I surved and luckly missed him. I didn't stop because my brother in law said you can never be sure if it is someone playing dead to get you to stop and then rob or even kill you.
here the term "good cop" is an oxymoron
Not sure about the cops there, but I could tell you a story about me and the imagration there in Mexico.Chiapas is the southernmost state in Mexico. I am about 10 min. from the border with Guatemala. My city, Tapachula is more or less on the coast. The city you mentioned is Saltillo (you almost spelled it right phonetically). And yes, if the old goat was laying on the road, going around him was the right thing to do. If you feel particularly charitable, call the cops (Federales de Camino, the only cops that might be honest) in the next town. Murders and kidnappings are common especially if you look American. They assume you have money.
Yeah, Migracion here. Just act stupid they seem to frustrate easily and give up. Truth be told, I'm not fond of Immigration in any of the countries I've visited, US, Canada, Japan, any of them. Much less here.
One more thought on your son. Saturday morning, let him sleep in. Kill him with kindness. Heap hot coals on his head. It will keep him off guard. I'm nasty. But it works.
Marcos