After reading this thread, the GB seem almost normal.
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Musings about different types of atheist!
by Seraphim23 ina thought that occurs to me is that if one has the belief that all that is real is only explicable in terms of particles and forces, and that nothing exists that is not one of these, then good and bad doesnt exist either, the same would be true for any concept for that matter.
or perhaps it is only true when reduced to the level of matter and forces, but without the moral force, meaning and purpose that such a materialist only description would entail.
after all, if death is forever, which is materialist view, then what does it matter if a seventy or seven year old enters the grave?
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Question regarding Faith...(adamah)
by tec inpeace!.
you have stated (and others have agreed and stated the same) that faith is not based on evidence, or it is not faith to begin with.
may i ask you, then, if you think the apostles and early disciples, who walked with christ, had faith?
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cofty: It's disconcerting to see superstition masquerading so boldly as reality.
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Question regarding Faith...(adamah)
by tec inpeace!.
you have stated (and others have agreed and stated the same) that faith is not based on evidence, or it is not faith to begin with.
may i ask you, then, if you think the apostles and early disciples, who walked with christ, had faith?
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If anyone is hearing voices in their head, they are always mentally ill. It does not matter if that person claims the voice is God, Jesus, or the neighbor's dog. That is NOT spirituality, that is pyschosis!
Tec, get medical help before you hurt someone.
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I'm Perfect, You're Doomed - a review
by Farkel in"i'm perfect, you're doomed" by kyria abrahams, 2009, touchstone.. if you want a way to get people out of that horrible cult, easily, quickly and expeditiously, then here is how to do that.. i can say with a vote of confidence that anyone who reads this book will never and i mean never become a dub.
dubs who read it (assuming they have at least one or two brain cells left) will run from their religion like flies on shit when you pour bleach on it and blow it up with dynamite.. toss away crisis of conscience, apocalypse delayed, 30 years a watchtower slave and all those other very nice books and read this one.
i read those and all the other ones.
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Great review. I need to get this book for my wife, it will be perfect for her.
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Question regarding Faith...(adamah)
by tec inpeace!.
you have stated (and others have agreed and stated the same) that faith is not based on evidence, or it is not faith to begin with.
may i ask you, then, if you think the apostles and early disciples, who walked with christ, had faith?
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Faith: Pretending to know something that you don't know.
If you can offer more than your pretend knowledge, make it public & I will gladly watch it on CNN & BBC.
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I bet you can't sit still while listening to this
by Hortensia inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoatqo82k-k.
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'Play That Funky Music' is by Wild Cherry, not James Brown. Great song, but its a white boy singing.
James Brown never recorded this song. Although George Michael & Prince did... ugh!
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Atheism and the delusion of meaning
by Laika inin the movie annie hall, written by woody allen, as a young boy, alvy's mother, takes him to see a doctor as he appears to be dealing with some kind of depression.
when the doctor asks alvy what's up, alvy explains that he just found out the universe is expanding, everything will spread out and go cold and die, therefore nothing he does matters, so he is not going to do anything anymore.
most people might see this as a joke, but i think woody is trying to make a serious point.. the point here is about meaning.
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Wow, some great rebuttals to the OP!
Perhaps we are missing an obvious point. What if the OP has no feelings to direct his actions, no natural values, no innate self worth that creates the meaning most of us take for granted? If a person cannot comprehend personal values naturally, without the coercion of religion, then maybe something is missing. He denies meaning in everything because he doesnt feel it himself.
Maybe he needs others to tell him what to do, what to think, what to feel, what to care about, and what is meaningful because he does not understand them naturally. It sounds like the thought process of a sociopath. He says, I feel nothing & anyone who claims they do is delusional.
Anyone who says "You are just a series of random events, you are no more valuable than a dog turd" may be a sociopath. Whatever causes this thought process, it is not mental & emotional health. His thinking & beliefs have nothing to do with religion & everything to do with a lack of natural feeling, empathy, and meaning in his life.
Seriously, "you are no more valuable than a dog turd"= no empathy or natural feelings for others.
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Is the Universe Conscious?
by still thinking indoes the universe have a collective consciousness?.
at the sub nuclear level of reality...we are all one.
at the core basis of the universe is a single universal field of intelligence.
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This quote seemed to apply to this thread:
"To the mystic, emotions are tools of cognition, and wishes take precedence over facts. He seeks to escape the risks of a quest for knowledge by obliterating the distinction between consciousness and reality, between the perceiver and the perceived, hoping that an automatic certainty and an infallible knowledge of the universe will be granted to him by the blind, unfocused stare of his eyes turned inward, contemplating the sensations, the feelings, the urgings, the muggy associational twistings projected by the rudderless mechanism of his undirected consciousness. Whatever his mechanism produces is an absolute not to be questioned; and whenever it clashes with reality, it is reality that he ignores.
Since the clash is constant, the mystic's solution is to believe that what he perceives is another, 'higher' reality—where his wishes are omnipotent, where contradictions are possible and A is non-A, where his assertions, which are false on earth, become true and acquire the status of a 'superior' truth which he perceives by means of a special faculty denied to other, 'inferior,' beings. The only validation of his consciousness he can obtain on earth is the belief and the obedience of others, when they accept his 'truth' as superior to their own perception of reality."-Ayn Rand
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Evolution is Crap, there I said it!
by Crazyguy inok i started another thread and every one jumped on me because i was trying to take the theory of evolution out of the mix and most here seem to believe in it so i will just say it.
the theory of major evolution is crap!
the theory is falling apart.
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Really? I'm being called out on a throwaway jab?
Fine, I'll let Wikipedia answer:
Reality is the state of things as they actually exist, rather than as they may appear or might be imagined.
No one is calling you out, I was legitimately asking your thoughts on what reality means to you.
Everyone says they know reality & it's always "other guy" who has it wrong. You implied you knew reality & the other guy had it wrong. Just wondering how you separated your accurate reality from their false reality.
Our beliefs & feelings are obviously not an accurate judge of whats real. How can anyone have a serious conversation about science or evolution with only feelings, wishes, beliefs, and vague claims of knowledge? Without objective definitions, everything that is said about "reality" is pointless.
I agree with what you said, I was just wondering on what basis you said it.
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Evolution is Crap, there I said it!
by Crazyguy inok i started another thread and every one jumped on me because i was trying to take the theory of evolution out of the mix and most here seem to believe in it so i will just say it.
the theory of major evolution is crap!
the theory is falling apart.
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But they will adjust and learn to enjoy reality.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Shador, do you know what it means?
What do you say the word reality means?