I'd be happy to oblige after you've put on some lippy and plucked your eyebrows.
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Tez & KK
You both give examples of people who have turned their lives around from difficult circumstances, without national service. It offers no further guarantee that life's "takers" will turn in to "givers" (my god, is this turning into a gay thread?) nor will more funding. My arguement against national service is that it a treatment of symptoms rather than cause, and therefore a very short term form of solution.
Welcome to the human race.
KK, apart from a good thrashing, I don't know.
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Is there also to be a suspension of Human Rights between the ages of 16-18?
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KK
Nice idea. Hogwarts Borstal?
But if they refuse to do the press ups, what then?
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Ellie
If it doesn't make anything worse or better, is it worth it? surely that's the quartet playing as the ship goes down.
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KK
I appreciate what you are saying which is why smaller class sizes from year one would make a difference. One on one by the time a child is being excluded is more often than not too late.
Paul.
I don't believe that we can achieve a perfect, crime free society and I wouldn't want one. Is that a glass half empty or a move away from the Judeo/Christian/Enlightenment/new Labour belief that things can only get better?
Ellie
So national service comes with compulsory but temporary sterilisation? And if they refuse to behave, prison? More prison may provide more jobs I guess.
I don't think society is perfect, but I don't think punitive measures (which is what we are veering towards) is the appropriate solution. But we are free to disagree.
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EllieI don't think there's anything wrong with claiming child benefit, but nor am I judging others that claim other forms of social security benefit. No one is forcing you to take money from the state to support your children and I know of families that feel that if they don't need the child benefit they shouldn't draw it. It's their choice and I'm sure they wouldn't judge you for drawing it. I know some teenage mothers and am well aware of how the system can be worked but see a minority exploiting it (babies for council houses) but I also see what depressing conditions they live in and how stressed and unhappy they are. Maybe the council homes on offer in Wales are palatial, but here they are high rise or sink estates and not even a Burberry cap can compensate. Better education, not national service, would have made a big difference to them. Better funding of teachers like KK, smaller class sizes and better school buildings.
Paul
Yobs? Have you never seen squaddies out to play? The army is not renowned for it's fine manners and etiquette in the lower ranks, so would National Service produce these fine upstanding citizens that we are all fine examples of? Remind me of the unemployment rate? Is it a vast swathe of the population that we are supporting? Having this "privileged" class of lay abouts is indicative of how rich we are, just as the vast sums we splash out of football players is. We will continue to have a minority that exploits the tax paying population until such a time as our debt burden crashes on us all and we have to live hand-to-mouth as Derek describes.
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Not even child benefit? I doff my hat to you.
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Paul
No, I don't think we have a yob culture, I think we have a new target to blame and I don't have the answer for social injustice.
Ellie
No, geriatric. Is that your daughter in your pic? (young motherhood is deemed a chav quality in some quarters)
FunkyDerek
"these people"? Come come, you're normally above this. Before chavs, we had casuals, mods, punks, hippies, teddy boys, blacks, gypsies and the Irish that needed fixed.
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Ellie
Are you really 25? You sound geriatric!