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The Trinity

by meadow77 in

top reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.

their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.

the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.

Herk, if you want some verses which prove that Jesus is God, then look at the topic "Jesus is God". I posted quite a few verses there. Each one is taken in complete context.
One good passage is Isaiah 44:6-7: "Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto thee."
The Lord King of Israel and the redeemer the Lord of Hosts speak as the same person, for they are the same person. In this passage the Lord Jehovah is sending the Lord Jehovah. You can argue it all you want, but it won't change the Scripture.
"Isaiah 44:24, Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
This passage says that ONE God made everything.
How bout Colossians 1:15-19: Who [Jesus] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:[the first fruits, the first to be ressurected incorruptible] For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;"
Hmmm, what does it mean that Jesus is the image of the invisible God?
Jesus says "he that hath seen me hath seen the Father" John 14:9.
Acts 20:28 "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."
Hmmm, what does it mean that God purchased the church with his own blood, when Jesus was the one who shed his blood at Calvary? No, of course scripture can't mean what it says! That would mean a JWs are being fed lies!
And what does it mean in Exodus 34:14? "For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:"
If I'm not mistaken Philippians 2:10 says that every knee shall bow to Jesus Christ the Lord. That sounds like worship to me! (Jesus Christ was also worshipped by ... ... the wise men (Matthew 2:11) ... the disciples in the boat (Matthew 14:33) ... the women at the empty tomb (Matthew 28:10) ... the disciples at His ascension (Matthew 28:17) (Note in the Great Commission that the "name" of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is singular -- Matthew 28:19) ... the man born blind, who Jesus healed (John 9:38) ... all God's angels (Hebrews 1:6).) Now unless God changes his standards, Jesus has to be God. Jesus was worshipped!
Wow, it is just sooooo hard to find scripture that says Jesus is God! Try also reading the most obvious one: John 1:1.

PS. I just love how every JW is a Hebrew and Greek expert!

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The Trinity

by meadow77 in

top reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.

their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.

the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.

SwedishChef

To people who actually read the Bible for what it says, the Trinity is easily seen throughout the Bible. Countless passagages in the Bible prove the fact the Jesus is the Almighty God. 1 Timothy 3:16 and Revelation 1:7-8 being a couple. The Trinity is so easily found in scripture it blows my mind that anyone can deny it. It is not a doctrine easily understood (no man can comprehend the existence of God), but it is one that is easily found.

Genesis 1:26a "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:"
Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
Note- The old testament word most frequently used for God is plural in form.
God uses plural when speaking of Himself.

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Jesus is God

by SwedishChef in

here is a large collection of verses which prove the deity of christ:.

isaiah 6-7 6. for unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called wonderful, counseller, the mighty god, the everlasting father, the prince of peace.

7. of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of david, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever.

SwedishChef

Farkel, I seriously doubt anything I present to you will change your mind. I won't waste my time getting in a debate with a reprobate person like yourself. Maybe you should think about your own salvation before getting into trivial squabbles like this.

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Jesus is God

by SwedishChef in

here is a large collection of verses which prove the deity of christ:.

isaiah 6-7 6. for unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called wonderful, counseller, the mighty god, the everlasting father, the prince of peace.

7. of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of david, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever.

SwedishChef

I fail to see how anyone can believe what the Watchtower says. They contradict themselves at everycorner. The Watchtower denies the physical resurrection of Jesus Christ and even his crucifixion. (which is clearly taught in detail in the four Gospels and in other places in the bible) It saddens me that a religion so obviously false has fooled so many people. What the Jehovah's Witnesses claim to be grounded on is the sole thing which proves them wrong - the Bible.
Remember, the pillar of truth in this world is the inspired inerrant Word of God.

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Jesus is God

by SwedishChef in

here is a large collection of verses which prove the deity of christ:.

isaiah 6-7 6. for unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called wonderful, counseller, the mighty god, the everlasting father, the prince of peace.

7. of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of david, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever.

SwedishChef

John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

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Jesus is God

by SwedishChef in

here is a large collection of verses which prove the deity of christ:.

isaiah 6-7 6. for unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called wonderful, counseller, the mighty god, the everlasting father, the prince of peace.

7. of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of david, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever.

SwedishChef

If you can't*

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Jesus is God

by SwedishChef in

here is a large collection of verses which prove the deity of christ:.

isaiah 6-7 6. for unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called wonderful, counseller, the mighty god, the everlasting father, the prince of peace.

7. of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of david, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever.

SwedishChef

If you can believe the whole Bible, what makes you think any of it is right? The Bible describes people like you who have become a "law on themselves". You pick and choose what you want to believe.

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Jesus is God

by SwedishChef in

here is a large collection of verses which prove the deity of christ:.

isaiah 6-7 6. for unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called wonderful, counseller, the mighty god, the everlasting father, the prince of peace.

7. of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of david, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever.

SwedishChef

I can safely say that anyone who does not believe that Jesus is God does gives no regard to scripture. Many passages of the Bible I and some others referred to state clearly and undeniably that Jesus is God. Jesus says "he that hath seen me hath seen the Father." (John 14:9)
Isaiha 44:6-7 says: "Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto thee." This passage is speaking of the coming Messiah. Jehovah is sending Jehovah.
For those of you who believe not, you simply don't believe what the Bible says. For those of you who complain that it doesn't make sense, read 1 Timothy 3:16: "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."
The Bible calls this a mystery, but it is very clear that Jesus is God.
Also think on this - Isaiah 45:5 says "I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me." The Bible says there is ONE God. Exodus 34:14 "For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:" The Bible says no other god is to be worshiped but the true God.
Philippians 2:10 "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." The Bible says that every knee shall bow to Jesus Christ the Lord. This is worship. Jesus Christ was also worshipped by ... ... the wise men (Matthew 2:11) ... the disciples in the boat (Matthew 14:33) ... the women at the empty tomb (Matthew 28:10) ... the disciples at His ascension (Matthew 28:17) (Note in the Great Commission that the "name" of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is singular -- Matthew 28:19) ... the man born blind, who Jesus healed (John 9:38) ... all God's angels (Hebrews 1:6). Therefore, what are you going to believe, the Word of God or the Watchtower?

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Jesus is God

by SwedishChef in

here is a large collection of verses which prove the deity of christ:.

isaiah 6-7 6. for unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called wonderful, counseller, the mighty god, the everlasting father, the prince of peace.

7. of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of david, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever.

SwedishChef

I'm just trying to figure out how my post turned into this. I'm also appauled by the immaturity of some people here.
In any case, I will endeavor to respond to this passage in Numbers. It has been groundlessly asserted, that Moses here authorized the Israelites to make concubines of the whole number of female children; and an insidious objection against his writings has been grounded upon this monsterous suppostition. But the whole tenor of the law, and especially a stature recorded in De. 21:10-14, proves most decively to the contrary. They were merely permitted to possess them as female slaves, educating them in their families, and employing them as domestics; for the laws concerning forinication, concubinage, and marriage, were in full force, and prohibited an Israelite from even marrying a captive, without delays and previous formalities; and if he afterwards divorced her, he was to set her at liberty, "because he had humbled her."
Cf. Le 25:44, De 20:14, 2 Ch. 28:8-10. Is. 14:2.

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Jesus is God

by SwedishChef in

here is a large collection of verses which prove the deity of christ:.

isaiah 6-7 6. for unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called wonderful, counseller, the mighty god, the everlasting father, the prince of peace.

7. of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of david, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever.

SwedishChef

Here is a large collection of verses which prove the Deity of Christ:

Isaiah 6-7 6. For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, the everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 7. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.
44:6-7 6. Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. 7. And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto thee. (note: Hebrew word for "Lord" the King of Isreal, and "Lord" of hosts are exact same word. Strongs reference 3068)
CF Isaiah 44:24, Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
Zechariah 2:10-11 10. Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the Lord. 11. And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto thee.
11:11-13 11. "And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited upon me knew that it was the word of the LORD.12 And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver.13 And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD."
Micah 5:2 "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting."
Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Mark 2:6 " Why doth this man [Jesus] thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?"
John 1:1-14 "1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 3. "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." 14a. "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,"
5:18 "Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God."
8:58-59 58 . "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." 59. "Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by."
10:30-31 30. "I and my Father are one." 31. "Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him."
(Note: It is important to read verse 31 too. For a jw will say that what Jesus meant was I and my Father are "one in will." But if that's all he meant, why did the Jews attempt to stone him?)
14:8-9 "8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?"
20:28-29 28. "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God." 29. " Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."
Acts 9:4-5 4. "And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?" 5. "And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks."
20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Philippians 2:6-11 6. "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"11. "And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
Colossians 1:15-19 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Revelation 1:7-8 7. Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
1:17b-18 17b "..., Fear not; I am the first and the last:" 18. I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. (cross ref. Rev. 1:5 Jesus is the first begotten of the dead.)
19:16 And he (Jesus) hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. [Surely this description could only fit the Almighty God.]