1. It's a big surprise if they give you a direct answer.
2. If you corner them they will resort to one of three things: 1) Say the Scripture is a bad translation (of course the verses they quote are always perfect translations); 2) They change the subject; 3) They start playing word games with you.
3. Many of them view traditions and other writings by famous JWs as having more authority than the Word of God.
4. Their doctrine completely conflicts with Bible doctrine.
5. The Watchtower is their head (athough the Bible says Christ is the head of the Church)
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5 Worst things About JWs
by SwedishChef in1. it's a big surprise if they give you a direct answer.. 2. if you corner them they will resort to one of three things: 1) say the scripture is a bad translation (of course the verses they quote are always perfect translations); 2) they change the subject; 3) they start playing word games with you.. 3. many of them view traditions and other writings by famous jws as having more authority than the word of god.. 4. their doctrine completely conflicts with bible doctrine.. 5. the watchtower is their head (athough the bible says christ is the head of the church)
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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Joseph, mighty big words. I noticed you didn't bother refute anything I've posted -- no one has! You can talk all you want, but It doesn't mean anything if it's not backed up by Scripture. You can't refute what the Bible plainly says. Simple.
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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Joseph, that is the most Biblically unbased thing I've heard today.
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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Dakota...To answer this question you ask me to understand the divine mind of God. I can only answer what the Scriptures explain, and that is that Jesus is God.
Isaiah 44:6-7 "Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto thee."
This passage is, of course, a prophecy about the coming Messiah Jesus Christ. Notice that the Lord (Jehovah) and the redeemer, the Lord (Jevovah), speak as one. For they are the same person. The last sentence can address John 17:3. The Lord (Jehovah) SENDS the Lord (Jevovah) to dwell among His people.
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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Dakota Red, I find you list of arguments against the Trinity pretty weak. I find the Trinity very evident in the Bible. Try reading some of my posts in which I identify this.
I find very unscholarly to just blow off all my points.
Your reference in Colossians is one I explained. If you would read the rest of that passage to get it in CONTEXT, you would see that your misinterpretting it.Colossians 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
(CF. Mark 2:7 "Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but GOD ONLY?"; Acts 20:28 "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of GOD, which he hath purchased with his OWN blood.")
Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Now it says that Jesus is the image of God. Remember Jesus says " he that hath seen me hath seen the Father." The Bible also states that Jesus is equal with God. (John 5:18, Philippians 2:6)
Being "firstborn of every creature" is speaking of Jesus' incorruptible resurrection. 1 Corinthians 15:19,20 mirrors this passage in Colossians.
"If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept."Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;This passage goes on to says that Jesus created EVERYTHING, and that He is before ALL things.
Advice: READ IN CONTEXT!
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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Herk, it has been my experience that these debates translations and origninal Greek/Hebrew words are pointless. The fact is the KJV has never been proven faulty. It also agrees completely with the Strongs and Youngs literal translations. The fact is the Bible says what it says, if your not willing to accept that its not my problem.
Also, I would love to know how I took any of these verse out of context. You just blew over my last post because you had no answer. You can argue all you want, but it won't change Scripture. -
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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Herk, if you want some verses which prove that Jesus is God, then look at the topic "Jesus is God". I posted quite a few verses there. Each one is taken in complete context.
One good passage is Isaiah 44:6-7: "Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto thee."
The Lord King of Israel and the redeemer the Lord of Hosts speak as the same person, for they are the same person. In this passage the Lord Jehovah is sending the Lord Jehovah. You can argue it all you want, but it won't change the Scripture.
"Isaiah 44:24, Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
This passage says that ONE God made everything.
How bout Colossians 1:15-19: Who [Jesus] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:[the first fruits, the first to be ressurected incorruptible] For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;"
Hmmm, what does it mean that Jesus is the image of the invisible God?
Jesus says "he that hath seen me hath seen the Father" John 14:9.
Acts 20:28 "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."
Hmmm, what does it mean that God purchased the church with his own blood, when Jesus was the one who shed his blood at Calvary? No, of course scripture can't mean what it says! That would mean a JWs are being fed lies!
And what does it mean in Exodus 34:14? "For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:"
If I'm not mistaken Philippians 2:10 says that every knee shall bow to Jesus Christ the Lord. That sounds like worship to me! (Jesus Christ was also worshipped by ... ... the wise men (Matthew 2:11) ... the disciples in the boat (Matthew 14:33) ... the women at the empty tomb (Matthew 28:10) ... the disciples at His ascension (Matthew 28:17) (Note in the Great Commission that the "name" of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is singular -- Matthew 28:19) ... the man born blind, who Jesus healed (John 9:38) ... all God's angels (Hebrews 1:6).) Now unless God changes his standards, Jesus has to be God. Jesus was worshipped!
Wow, it is just sooooo hard to find scripture that says Jesus is God! Try also reading the most obvious one: John 1:1.PS. I just love how every JW is a Hebrew and Greek expert!
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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To people who actually read the Bible for what it says, the Trinity is easily seen throughout the Bible. Countless passagages in the Bible prove the fact the Jesus is the Almighty God. 1 Timothy 3:16 and Revelation 1:7-8 being a couple. The Trinity is so easily found in scripture it blows my mind that anyone can deny it. It is not a doctrine easily understood (no man can comprehend the existence of God), but it is one that is easily found.
Genesis 1:26a "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:"
Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
Note- The old testament word most frequently used for God is plural in form.
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Jesus is God
by SwedishChef inhere is a large collection of verses which prove the deity of christ:.
isaiah 6-7 6. for unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called wonderful, counseller, the mighty god, the everlasting father, the prince of peace.
7. of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of david, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever.
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Farkel, I seriously doubt anything I present to you will change your mind. I won't waste my time getting in a debate with a reprobate person like yourself. Maybe you should think about your own salvation before getting into trivial squabbles like this.
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Jesus is God
by SwedishChef inhere is a large collection of verses which prove the deity of christ:.
isaiah 6-7 6. for unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called wonderful, counseller, the mighty god, the everlasting father, the prince of peace.
7. of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of david, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever.
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I fail to see how anyone can believe what the Watchtower says. They contradict themselves at everycorner. The Watchtower denies the physical resurrection of Jesus Christ and even his crucifixion. (which is clearly taught in detail in the four Gospels and in other places in the bible) It saddens me that a religion so obviously false has fooled so many people. What the Jehovah's Witnesses claim to be grounded on is the sole thing which proves them wrong - the Bible.
Remember, the pillar of truth in this world is the inspired inerrant Word of God.