Herk, it seems to me like your running out of ideas, now you have to make jokes? Give me a break!
Also, I don't agree with any of the symbols of the Trinity. It is wrong to make them, and besides, they look ridiculous. I have never seen any of them before in my life. And no, none of those people you mentioned would have had any idea what those symbols were.
By the way, the Catholics were the ones to make all the statues and paintings supposedly representing the Trinity. (Nothing makes me more mad than to be called a Catholic.)
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by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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Herk, it is an interesting study, though. I will have to look into it.
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by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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Herk, so what you've pointed out is that the concept of a trinity has spread out to many pagan religions. The doctrine of the Trinity exists in the Bible, and therefore you must be calling it pagan as well.
The concept of a heaven, hell, and Supreme Being is in other religions too. Even the concept of a virgin birth (which originated in Babylon.)
I have a little history on this last one.Knowing that Jesus would be born of a virgin, Satan divised a plan to confuse the people into putting their trust in a counterfiet virgin.
After Noah's flood, the survivors multiplied and built the great city of Babylon. Satan found his "Virgin"--a beautiful witch named Semiramis...and he used her to put untold millions into hell.
Semiramis became the Queen of Babylon and married Nimrod.
Satan used them both to create a satanic cult so powerful that it spread around the world and multitudes looked to Semiriamis as their goddess mother.
After Nimrod's death, Semiramis moved quickly to take advantage of the situation. Satan's phony vigin gave birth to another child and claimed that Nimrod had been reincarnated. The child was called Tammuz. He became the god Baal.
She became a godess with many names such as Baalti, (The Madonna), the Great Goddess Mother, Queen of Heaven, the Mediatrix, the Mother of Mankind, Astarte, etc.
Because the people of Babylon were scattered to various parts of the earth, they took with them the worship of the divine mother and child. As time went on, monuments of the goddesss and her child appeared in many nations. (Devaki & Crishna; Isis $ Horus; Indrani $ her Child)
I'd show some pictures too, but I can't seem to get it to work. :-(So what's my point? Two, actually:
1) Satan's tactic is, and always has been, to mix truth with error.
2) Are you going to deny the virgin birth now because other pagan religions have facsimiles of it? -
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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Joseph,
I don't know what your reading, but it says that Jesus created everything. The world, the heavens, and yes, people. And nothing would have been made if it were not for Him.
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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Ha ha ha, funny herk. Your not only mocking Trinitarians, your mocking God.
The God I worship died for Me. The God you worship created someone else to die for you.
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by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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Joseph,whether you'd like to admit or not, those verses you quoted in Isaiah refute your belief.
The fact is, from passages like these, we get a clear understanding the Jehovah is a jealous God who will not share His glory with another.
Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
This not talking about graven images only, the Lord Jehovah says He will not share glory with another; then he says neither to graven images. He speaks of graven images separatly. The fact is, a person reading this verse for what it says will come to the conclusion that Jehovah is the only God who is worthy of praise.
Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
This verse reinforces it. There many other like it.
If I'm getting this right, you also believe that there are two creators. One who created the universe, and one who created mankind. I would just like you to find one verse which says that.
Bible teaching is there is ONE God who created EVERYTHING.
Read the Genesis accound of creation. The same God created Everything.Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
There are many other verses like this one also. Jehovah says He was alone in creating the universe.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.Collossians 1:16 For by him [Jesus] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.These two passages say that Jesus created EVERYTHING, and there would be NOTHING if it weren't for Him. Now compare this to the passage in Isaiha. Jehovah is the one who created EVERYTHING ALONE.
John 1:1 is proven to be a correct translation not only because scholars say it is, but because it fits in perfect context with Scripture.
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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Joseph, all of Albert Barnes' points were completely valid, I'm sorry if you don't want to see it.
I have two questions for you:
(1) In these passages you quoted, was God sharing glory with Jesus?
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by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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Question: How can God be three and one at the same time?
Answer: He cannot be three and one in the same sense. In what sense can He be one and three? A perfectly satisfactory answer to this question is manifestly impossible from the very nature of the case: (1) God is infinite, we are finite. He "dwells in the light no man can approach unto." Our attempts at a philosophical explanation of the tri-unity of God is an attempt to put the facts of infinite being into the forms of finite thought, and of necessity can be, at the best, only partially successful. This much we know, that God is essentially one, and that He is also three. There is but one God: but this one God makes Himself known to man as Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and they are sparate personalities. ---R.A. Torrey. -
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by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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Herk, you used these verses which "disprove" the Deity of Christ.
"All authority has been given to me." (Mt 28:18)
"The Father ... has given all things into his hand." (Jn 3:35)
"God has made this Jesus ... both Lord and Christ." (Ac 2:36)
"Him God has exalted ... to be Prince and Savior." (Ac 5:31)
"He raised him ... far above all principality and power and might and dominion." (Eph 1:21)
"God also has highly exalted him." (Php 2:9)
"Angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to him." (1 Pe 3:22)Now what about these verses:
Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
Isaiah 42:8: I am Yahweh, that is My Name; and I will not give My glory to another, neither My praise to engraved images.From reading these passages, it sounds like the Lord Jehovah will not share glory with anyone or anything, and yet that is what He has done with Jesus. "...and the Word was God."
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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Isaiah 42:8: I am Yahweh, that is My Name; and I will not give My glory to another, neither My praise to engraved images.
Thanx Undisfellowshipped, I've been looking for that verse. :-)