Posts by SwedishChef

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The dubs must have....the REAL Jesus

by gumby in

who has the real jesus?.

who of all christian religions can compare?.

who fullfills jesus words better than the dubs?.

SwedishChef

Gumby,

I would like to call to your attention a verse that can really be applied to the WT; more specifically its founder.

Matthew 24:11 "And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many."

Edited by - SwedishChef on 25 January 2003 23:45:1

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Who is the Alpha & Omega?

by edp81 in

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who is the alpha & omega in rev.

who is the first & last in rev.

SwedishChef

When taking context into account, it is very clear that it is Jesus who is speaking. No questions about it.

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Michael the Archangel

by UnDisfellowshipped in

is jesus christ the same person as michael the archangel [chief angel], as the watchtower society teaches?

what does the bible say?

here are all of the scriptures that mention michael the archangel:.

SwedishChef

The Grammar of Gen 1:1,

The first verse of Genesis 1 is most interesting from the standpoint of grammar. The Hebrew language has three numbers, instead of two as in English. There is the singular, indicating one person, place or thing; then the dual, for two persons, places or things; and then the plural, for three or more persons, places or things.

In Genesis 1:1 all these forms appear. The first word, translated God, is Elohim, a plural noun, thus intimating that in some way God is more than one, and even more than two; that He is at least threefold.

But the verb, created, is singular. Thus we have at the very threshold of divine inspiration an intimation of the trinity and also the unity of God.

Edited by - SwedishChef on 25 January 2003 22:57:22

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Michael the Archangel

by UnDisfellowshipped in

is jesus christ the same person as michael the archangel [chief angel], as the watchtower society teaches?

what does the bible say?

here are all of the scriptures that mention michael the archangel:.

SwedishChef

"Malik responds: How much of this did God do personally and how much was delegated by Him? Just who were the us that assisted with such projects?"

Joseph, very simple question! God alone created the universe.

Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;" - Pretty clear to me!

Do you really think the great I AM needed any assistance in creating the universe? What Bible are [or aren't] you reading?!

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Michael the Archangel

by UnDisfellowshipped in

is jesus christ the same person as michael the archangel [chief angel], as the watchtower society teaches?

what does the bible say?

here are all of the scriptures that mention michael the archangel:.

SwedishChef

I emphasize the word "only" in this verse, meaning that Jesus Christ is the oneand only Lord. Who can carry this title but God?
SwedishChef,
Jesus can. And Jesus is not the Supreme Being. In fact Jesus can use many of the titles that also apply to the Supreme Being, yes, except for His Name. This Jesus cannot share.
Joseph

Joseph, you realize how little sense this makes? By simply saying "Jesus can, but it doesn't mean He's God" is no refutation. The Scriptures offer no support for your interpretation, in fact, quite the contrary is true. The Bible says God never changes, and one of those things that never changes is His character. I suggest you read the Old Testament very carefully to truly realize the holiness and character of God. For in Is. 42:8 Jehovah says "My glory will I not give to another." And from what I read in the New Testament, this never changing God gives His glory to the Word, who, according to John 1:1, was God!
Now I know your going to explain this away be saying "He was speaking of idols", and that is true. (Anything you consider god except God Himself is an idol.) But the character of God does not change, and when He says "My glory will I not give to another" - He means it!

Exodus 34:14 "For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:"

I strongly suggest that you admit to yourself the deity of Christ, who is the Savior and Lord of all. And stop trying to confuse the simple teachings in the Bible. The Word of God says that Jesus is God. It is stated simply. We may not understand how this is (1 Timothy 3:16), Paul calls it a mystery. But we can know it is true.

One example of an account which speaks of Christ was written by Cornelius Tacitus (A.D. 55-120), a Roman historian (who was not a Christian) who lived through the reigns of over half a dozen Roman emperors, and has been called "greatest historian" of Rome. While writing of the reign of Nero, Tacitus wrote this: (His misspelling of Christ--"Christus"--was a common error made by pagan writers)

"But not all the relief that could come from man, not all the bounties that the prince could bestow, nor all the atonements which could be presented to the gods, availed to relieve Nero from the infamy of being believed to have ordered the conflagration, the fire of Rome. Hence to suppress the rumor, he falsely charged with the guilt, and punished with the most exquisite tortures, the persons commonly called Christians, who were hated for their enormities. Christus, the founder of the name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius: but the pernicious superstition, repressed for a time, broke out again, not only through Judea, where the mischief originated, but through the city of Rome also. (Annals XV,44)"

"but even that is VERY highly suspect of forgery and added later after Josephus had died."

I know which account this is, and I believe it to be a forgery as well. Well, a partial one. From what I have read this account was added to but not a complete forgery.

Seedy posted a thread off of something I had written on another thread, which is in reference to the earthquake and darkness at Jesus' death.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=44274&site=3

Edited by - SwedishChef on 21 January 2003 22:29:12