Posts by SwedishChef

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Michael the Archangel

by UnDisfellowshipped in

is jesus christ the same person as michael the archangel [chief angel], as the watchtower society teaches?

what does the bible say?

here are all of the scriptures that mention michael the archangel:.

SwedishChef,

The text was explained both here and in my book. It is not complex. But if words like "all" do if for you regardless of context then fine? What you teach others is your responsibility not mine.

Joseph,

A simple text like this needs not a large explanation. It speaks for itself and needs to be taken at face value. This text completely blows your theory away, and there is nothing you can do to avoid it.

Face it, Joseph, NO ONE after reading the Bible walks away with the interpretation you have. Preconceived ideas are governing your beliefs. You simply do not want to believe Jesus is God. Your views are completely foreign to the Bible and have no basis whatsoever. We have absolutely no reason to believe your views. No reason to believe "all" doesn't mean "all"; no reason to believe God delegated others to perform the act of creation; none at all! In fact, we have Scriptural evidence to prove quite the contrary.

How did you get this interpretation? It seems to me like your borrowing off of the WT.

UnDisfellowshipped provided some good references:

Psalm 146:5: Happy is he who has the God of Jacob for his help, Whose hope is in YAHWEH, his God:
Psalm 146:6: Who made Heaven and Earth, The sea, and all that is in them; Who keeps truth forever
Acts 4:24: ...they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, "O Sovereign Ruler, You are God, who made the Heaven, the Earth, the sea, and all that is in them"

God created everything. Yes, "all" does mean "all". The Bible gives me no reason to believe any different and every reason to believe this way. Joseph, I certainly hope that you take the Scriptures for what they say, and realize how truly wonderful the Lord Jesus Christ is. You have done Him a great wrong. You have classified Him as a lowly created angel. But He is infinitely greater than that. He is not the creature, He is the creator. Before He came to earth, He was not in the form of an angel, He was in the form of God! (Philippians 2:6)

Edited by - SwedishChef on 27 January 2003 16:28:37

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Neanderthals Not Human!

by metatron in

scientists have concluded that neanderthals were not the same species as modern.

humans.

they were a separate species entirely.. www,ananova.com/news/story/sm_365081.html.

SwedishChef

Four words:

I Don't Buy It.

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Michael the Archangel

by UnDisfellowshipped in

is jesus christ the same person as michael the archangel [chief angel], as the watchtower society teaches?

what does the bible say?

here are all of the scriptures that mention michael the archangel:.

SwedishChef

Joseph,

Please give a satisfactory explanation of Is 44:24. You have not so far. Gee, I would even go as far to say you've been avoiding it.

Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

2 Things Jehovah is saying in this text:

1. No one was with Him during creation. For the Lord to mean anything other than this He would be a liar.

2. He made ALL things.

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WHERE DID ALL THAT WATER GO?

by MYOHNSEPH in

as i recall, "the society" at one time taught the flood waters of noah's day came from an immense canopy of water, which formed sometime during creation and hovered above the earth until it all broke loose in the flood.

o.k., cool.

but does anyone know of an explanation of where it all went afterwards?

SwedishChef

The Bible alludes to what happened to the water after the flood, and to make it short - it's still here.

Psalms 104:6-9 "Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains. At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away. They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which thou hast founded for them. Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth."

Before the flood, the topography of the planet must have been extremely different. God raised vast amounts of land above the water, and the water went "down by the valleys unto the place which [God] hast founded for them". He then set a border at which the water could not pass over again.

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Michael the Archangel

by UnDisfellowshipped in

is jesus christ the same person as michael the archangel [chief angel], as the watchtower society teaches?

what does the bible say?

here are all of the scriptures that mention michael the archangel:.

SwedishChef

Joseph,

I emphasize the phrases "alone" and "by myself" Jehovah used when speaking of His role in creation. He did it all by Himself, no one was with Him. Is 44:24 is a very simple verse which you twist to make it say something different. And your not doing a very good job at it at that.

John 1:3 "All things were made by him [Jesus]; and without him was not any thing made that was made." (Only talking about kingdoms and people? Yeah right! You must think I can't read.)

Now what can't I see about this passage, Joseph? What secret am I blinded to that only you can see? This passage clearly says there is nothing that was not made by Jesus Christ. Period! But what can you do with a verse like this? You have to twist it to make it say something different. So you think Jesus is only "in charge" of people and kingdoms?

Isaiah 37:16 "O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou hast made heaven and earth."

Nope, your hypothesis doesn't add up. Jehovah, and only Jehovah, is in charge of kingdoms. Proof that the Messiah is, in fact, Jehovah.

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Michael the Archangel

by UnDisfellowshipped in

is jesus christ the same person as michael the archangel [chief angel], as the watchtower society teaches?

what does the bible say?

here are all of the scriptures that mention michael the archangel:.

SwedishChef

Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;" - Pretty clear to me!

SwedishChef,

I use this text to make this very point. The Son did not do any of this. Only the LORD (Yahweh) did and yahweh is not the name of the Son or the Logos. This is the very point of this discussion is it not? But things like human beings and animals are another matter. Who created them? Beings only identified as us in Genesis. The Logos created man and had authority over man. Such things were delegated to others. Does no one ever wonder why Satan took the form of a serpent? Could it not be that this Satan had something to do with the creation of such animal life and had authority over them as well?

Joseph

I'm still trying to figure out where the refutation lies in this paragraph. There is none. Is. 44:24 is extremely clear as to whom created EVERYTHING. If you refuse to read what it plainly says, then we might as well not discuss Scripture anymore. (The "us" in Genesis has already been addressed as well.) I'm sorry, but such misrepresentation of Scripture can only come from delusion. You WANT to hold to your views no matter how unbiblical they are.

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The dubs must have....the REAL Jesus

by gumby in

who has the real jesus?.

who of all christian religions can compare?.

who fullfills jesus words better than the dubs?.

SwedishChef

Gumby,

I would like to call to your attention a verse that can really be applied to the WT; more specifically its founder.

Matthew 24:11 "And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many."

Edited by - SwedishChef on 25 January 2003 23:45:1

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Who is the Alpha & Omega?

by edp81 in

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who is the alpha & omega in rev.

who is the first & last in rev.

SwedishChef

When taking context into account, it is very clear that it is Jesus who is speaking. No questions about it.

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Michael the Archangel

by UnDisfellowshipped in

is jesus christ the same person as michael the archangel [chief angel], as the watchtower society teaches?

what does the bible say?

here are all of the scriptures that mention michael the archangel:.

SwedishChef

The Grammar of Gen 1:1,

The first verse of Genesis 1 is most interesting from the standpoint of grammar. The Hebrew language has three numbers, instead of two as in English. There is the singular, indicating one person, place or thing; then the dual, for two persons, places or things; and then the plural, for three or more persons, places or things.

In Genesis 1:1 all these forms appear. The first word, translated God, is Elohim, a plural noun, thus intimating that in some way God is more than one, and even more than two; that He is at least threefold.

But the verb, created, is singular. Thus we have at the very threshold of divine inspiration an intimation of the trinity and also the unity of God.

Edited by - SwedishChef on 25 January 2003 22:57:22

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Michael the Archangel

by UnDisfellowshipped in

is jesus christ the same person as michael the archangel [chief angel], as the watchtower society teaches?

what does the bible say?

here are all of the scriptures that mention michael the archangel:.

SwedishChef

"Malik responds: How much of this did God do personally and how much was delegated by Him? Just who were the us that assisted with such projects?"

Joseph, very simple question! God alone created the universe.

Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;" - Pretty clear to me!

Do you really think the great I AM needed any assistance in creating the universe? What Bible are [or aren't] you reading?!