Navigator, It has been my experience never to take a JW's word for anything.
SwedishChef
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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SwedishChef
Herk, I see now that I should believe that the KJV is a bad translation (although it has never been faulted) simply because you say it is.
I should believe that Scripture doesn't say that "God was manifest in the flesh" simply because you and some dorkus scholar whom I've never heard of said so. I see the light now! -
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5 Worst things About JWs
by SwedishChef in1. it's a big surprise if they give you a direct answer.. 2. if you corner them they will resort to one of three things: 1) say the scripture is a bad translation (of course the verses they quote are always perfect translations); 2) they change the subject; 3) they start playing word games with you.. 3. many of them view traditions and other writings by famous jws as having more authority than the word of god.. 4. their doctrine completely conflicts with bible doctrine.. 5. the watchtower is their head (athough the bible says christ is the head of the church)
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SwedishChef
Gar, and you call me ignorant?
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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SwedishChef
It figures, there is no JW that can refute my posts. You know why? Because all the Scripture used to back up the Deity of Christ is well translated (I shouldn't even have to mention that), and in context.
You can deny Scripture, but you can't refute Scripture. It says what it says.
Here's some advice for any Jehovah's [false] Witnesses: turn your back on the Watchtower and place your trust on the Word of God and what it has to say about the Lord Jesus Christ.
You know if the Watchtower didn't exist, and you only had the Bible, your views would be completely different; because there is no way you can read the Bible and walk away with JW beliefs.
The founder of this cult, Taz Russell, was quoted as saying something like this: If you stick only with the Bible, your bound to err; you must keep my teachings and doctrines. (This is just a paraphrase)
Does this sound like a man who loves God? No! Old Taz was a false prophet. He was only out for money and fame. It is so obvious it's sickening.
The bogus statements the Watchtower comes off with is sickening too. "Jesus was not physically resurrected"; and "Jesus died on a stake not a cross". These teachings are so easily proven false! Just read the account of Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection in the four Gospels!
It makes me sad that people actually fall for it. I also know that many don't just "fall for it"; they are willingly ignorant. -
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5 Worst things About JWs
by SwedishChef in1. it's a big surprise if they give you a direct answer.. 2. if you corner them they will resort to one of three things: 1) say the scripture is a bad translation (of course the verses they quote are always perfect translations); 2) they change the subject; 3) they start playing word games with you.. 3. many of them view traditions and other writings by famous jws as having more authority than the word of god.. 4. their doctrine completely conflicts with bible doctrine.. 5. the watchtower is their head (athough the bible says christ is the head of the church)
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SwedishChef
1. It's a big surprise if they give you a direct answer.
2. If you corner them they will resort to one of three things: 1) Say the Scripture is a bad translation (of course the verses they quote are always perfect translations); 2) They change the subject; 3) They start playing word games with you.
3. Many of them view traditions and other writings by famous JWs as having more authority than the Word of God.
4. Their doctrine completely conflicts with Bible doctrine.
5. The Watchtower is their head (athough the Bible says Christ is the head of the Church) -
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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SwedishChef
Joseph, mighty big words. I noticed you didn't bother refute anything I've posted -- no one has! You can talk all you want, but It doesn't mean anything if it's not backed up by Scripture. You can't refute what the Bible plainly says. Simple.
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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SwedishChef
Joseph, that is the most Biblically unbased thing I've heard today.
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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SwedishChef
Dakota...To answer this question you ask me to understand the divine mind of God. I can only answer what the Scriptures explain, and that is that Jesus is God.
Isaiah 44:6-7 "Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto thee."
This passage is, of course, a prophecy about the coming Messiah Jesus Christ. Notice that the Lord (Jehovah) and the redeemer, the Lord (Jevovah), speak as one. For they are the same person. The last sentence can address John 17:3. The Lord (Jehovah) SENDS the Lord (Jevovah) to dwell among His people.
I believe that is enough explanation. -
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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SwedishChef
Dakota Red, I find you list of arguments against the Trinity pretty weak. I find the Trinity very evident in the Bible. Try reading some of my posts in which I identify this.
I find very unscholarly to just blow off all my points.
Your reference in Colossians is one I explained. If you would read the rest of that passage to get it in CONTEXT, you would see that your misinterpretting it.Colossians 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
(CF. Mark 2:7 "Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but GOD ONLY?"; Acts 20:28 "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of GOD, which he hath purchased with his OWN blood.")
Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Now it says that Jesus is the image of God. Remember Jesus says " he that hath seen me hath seen the Father." The Bible also states that Jesus is equal with God. (John 5:18, Philippians 2:6)
Being "firstborn of every creature" is speaking of Jesus' incorruptible resurrection. 1 Corinthians 15:19,20 mirrors this passage in Colossians.
"If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept."Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;This passage goes on to says that Jesus created EVERYTHING, and that He is before ALL things.
Advice: READ IN CONTEXT!
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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SwedishChef
Herk, it has been my experience that these debates translations and origninal Greek/Hebrew words are pointless. The fact is the KJV has never been proven faulty. It also agrees completely with the Strongs and Youngs literal translations. The fact is the Bible says what it says, if your not willing to accept that its not my problem.
Also, I would love to know how I took any of these verse out of context. You just blew over my last post because you had no answer. You can argue all you want, but it won't change Scripture.