"What you say subconsciously reveals that even your own mind cannot accept the silliness of the Trinity."
Herk, stop playing word games, you know what meadow meant.
SwedishChef
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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SwedishChef
Dakota, for one, I did not call anyone here a "dorkus scholar". I called a scholar whom someone quoted a dork.
Secondly, Christians are the ones with the truth.
Acts 11:26 "And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch."
The Bible records the early church as being Christians. So are you calling the church of God false teachers?Thirdly, I'd like to know what sort of bloody history the Christians have. A true Christian's agenda is to spread the truth of God and be compasionate. Jesus says "Ye are the light of the world." My best bet is that you are talking about the Roman Catholic Church. Surely someone as "scholarly" as yourself would know the difference between a true Christian and a Catholic.
As far as salvation issues, it seems that your agrument is more with the Word of God than with me. I quoted some verses pertaining to salvation and you have a problem with it.
In response to your statement "Try reading scriptures from the mindset of the Jews who mostly wrote it thousands of years ago, instead of forcing modern views on it and changing their original intent to fit todays beliefs."
That's the best you have? Well, I don't blame you. The passage I quoted was correctly translated and in context. What else could you say?
The fact is, there is only ONE way to take this verse in Isaiah. Jehovah sent Jehovah. It says it plain and clear. There really is no arguing with a verse like this.
I would like to know, how was it meant to be taken and how am I "forcing" modern views on it; when there is only one way to take it?Also, I'd like to know what your faith or religion is. You seem to disagree with everyone.
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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"How utterly Christian of you. Where are you any different than the Watchtower? They teach all will die and be slaughtered at Armegeddon and you insinuate all will suffer eternal damnation and torture for not accepting your view.
Sorry, you are no different than the Watchtower and I rejected them too. I will follow life as I see it and read the Bible as I see it, not how misguided fundamentalists and hellfire and brimstone preachers tell me I should."Dakota, in that part of the post, all I did was quote some verses speaking of salvation and the Holy Spirit. If thats so offensive, then you truley are lost.
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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SwedishChef
herk, if I misunderstood anything you wrote I apologize, but you did say it's a faulty translation.
JWs have been known to misquote, take out of context, and even all out lie when it comes to translation issues. I'm not saying your one of them, but I know your sources are corrupted.
Lets say, for the sake of argument, that verse is a mistranslation; there are still scores of other verses which you have to take into account. If your going to say every single one of them is mistranslation, then that would mean the tranlators who wrote the KJV (a) had no idea what they were doing, (b) were agents of Satan. Somehow I doubt that any of these are true.
You realize the NWT translation is extremely corrupted. Every single other translation (i.e. NKJV, NIV, ASV) basically says the same thing as the KJV. With these versions the Deity of Christ is evident also. -
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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Joseph, there's one problem with your belief. There Bible clearly says there is ONE God; ONE creator; and ONE who is worthy of worship.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Mark 12:32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Colossians 1:16-17 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
Exodus 43:11-12 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.
Isaiah 45:5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me.
Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.This is one of the clearest teachings in the Bible, and yet you still got it wrong.
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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SwedishChef
Dakota, it is becoming more and more apparent to me that you have no grasp of the Scripture at all. I give you a verse that says Jehovah sends Jehovah to dwell among his people, you all you do is say it's "an excellent example of polytheism." That kind of left me with a: "that's nice, but where's your response to the verse?"
Now I don't know about you, but if Jehovah sent Jesus the Messiah to dwell among His people, and in this prophecy about the Messiah, Jehovah sends Jehovah to dwell among his people, I think it's saying that the Messiah is Jehovah! It's pretty much common sense. But go on! Keep twisting and avoiding the Scripture. I find that you are very sly in avoiding to actually address that passage in Isaiah.
You also seem to have many misconceptions about Trinitarians. You seem to think we believe in three Gods. Trinitarians believe in ONE sovereign God, however, He exists as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. That's Biblical teaching, you can find it many places all throughout the Bible.
It's not a "secret" doctrine, because its so easily found. But it is a mystery (1Timothy 3:16).
1 Corinthians 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God...they are spiritually discerned."
The most important thing for someone to do is become saved.
John 3:18 "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
Romans 10:13 "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."
Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
If you believe on the name of the Son of God, and accept Him as your Lord and savior, then you will become born again and are one of God's children.
John 1:12 "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"
God will preserve you. 2 Timothy 4:18: "And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen."After you have become saved...
Acts 1:8a "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you:"
Romans 8:14 "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God."
...The Spririt leads someone in Scripture after they are saved, for the discernment is lifted. Most posting messages in here are not saved, and therefore are spiritually discerned. -
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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Navigator, It has been my experience never to take a JW's word for anything.
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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Herk, I see now that I should believe that the KJV is a bad translation (although it has never been faulted) simply because you say it is.
I should believe that Scripture doesn't say that "God was manifest in the flesh" simply because you and some dorkus scholar whom I've never heard of said so. I see the light now! -
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5 Worst things About JWs
by SwedishChef in1. it's a big surprise if they give you a direct answer.. 2. if you corner them they will resort to one of three things: 1) say the scripture is a bad translation (of course the verses they quote are always perfect translations); 2) they change the subject; 3) they start playing word games with you.. 3. many of them view traditions and other writings by famous jws as having more authority than the word of god.. 4. their doctrine completely conflicts with bible doctrine.. 5. the watchtower is their head (athough the bible says christ is the head of the church)
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SwedishChef
Gar, and you call me ignorant?
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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SwedishChef
It figures, there is no JW that can refute my posts. You know why? Because all the Scripture used to back up the Deity of Christ is well translated (I shouldn't even have to mention that), and in context.
You can deny Scripture, but you can't refute Scripture. It says what it says.
Here's some advice for any Jehovah's [false] Witnesses: turn your back on the Watchtower and place your trust on the Word of God and what it has to say about the Lord Jesus Christ.
You know if the Watchtower didn't exist, and you only had the Bible, your views would be completely different; because there is no way you can read the Bible and walk away with JW beliefs.
The founder of this cult, Taz Russell, was quoted as saying something like this: If you stick only with the Bible, your bound to err; you must keep my teachings and doctrines. (This is just a paraphrase)
Does this sound like a man who loves God? No! Old Taz was a false prophet. He was only out for money and fame. It is so obvious it's sickening.
The bogus statements the Watchtower comes off with is sickening too. "Jesus was not physically resurrected"; and "Jesus died on a stake not a cross". These teachings are so easily proven false! Just read the account of Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection in the four Gospels!
It makes me sad that people actually fall for it. I also know that many don't just "fall for it"; they are willingly ignorant.