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  The Trinity

  by meadow77 in

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  top reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.

  their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.

  the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.

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  SwedishChef

  Joseph, all of Albert Barnes' points were completely valid, I'm sorry if you don't want to see it.

  I have two questions for you:
  (1) In these passages you quoted, was God sharing glory with Jesus?
  (2) How many creators are there?
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  The Trinity

  by meadow77 in

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  2. beliefs

  top reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.

  their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.

  the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.

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  SwedishChef

  Question: How can God be three and one at the same time?
  Answer: He cannot be three and one in the same sense. In what sense can He be one and three? A perfectly satisfactory answer to this question is manifestly impossible from the very nature of the case: (1) God is infinite, we are finite. He "dwells in the light no man can approach unto." Our attempts at a philosophical explanation of the tri-unity of God is an attempt to put the facts of infinite being into the forms of finite thought, and of necessity can be, at the best, only partially successful. This much we know, that God is essentially one, and that He is also three. There is but one God: but this one God makes Himself known to man as Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and they are sparate personalities. ---R.A. Torrey.
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  The Trinity

  by meadow77 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  top reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.

  their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.

  the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.

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  SwedishChef

  Herk, you used these verses which "disprove" the Deity of Christ.

  "All authority has been given to me." (Mt 28:18)
  "The Father ... has given all things into his hand." (Jn 3:35)
  "God has made this Jesus ... both Lord and Christ." (Ac 2:36)
  "Him God has exalted ... to be Prince and Savior." (Ac 5:31)
  "He raised him ... far above all principality and power and might and dominion." (Eph 1:21)
  "God also has highly exalted him." (Php 2:9)
  "Angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to him." (1 Pe 3:22)

  Now what about these verses:

  Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
  Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
  Isaiah 42:8: I am Yahweh, that is My Name; and I will not give My glory to another, neither My praise to engraved images.

  From reading these passages, it sounds like the Lord Jehovah will not share glory with anyone or anything, and yet that is what He has done with Jesus. "...and the Word was God."
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  The Trinity

  by meadow77 in

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  2. beliefs

  top reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.

  their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.

  the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.

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  SwedishChef

  Isaiah 42:8: I am Yahweh, that is My Name; and I will not give My glory to another, neither My praise to engraved images.

  Thanx Undisfellowshipped, I've been looking for that verse. :-)
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  The Trinity

  by meadow77 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  top reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.

  their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.

  the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.

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  SwedishChef

  Herk,
  Would you happen to know the name of the text which the NIV and other Bibles were translated from?
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  The Trinity

  by meadow77 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  top reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.

  their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.

  the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.

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  SwedishChef

  Dakota,
  If we cannot trust that God can preserve His word, then what can we trust? If the Catholic Church added that verse, then what else could they have added? If you follow these thoughts down to conclusion then you will come up with 2 things: (1) The Bible has been corrupted; (2) God cannot preserve His Word. Since, according to you, the Bible has been corrupted, then Jesus's own Words have failed. Matthew 24:35 "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away." And then we can no longer do this: 2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." If the Catholic Church were to add a verse like 1 John 5:7 (which really doesn't need to be there), then why didn't they just adjust the Bible to their doctrines? Scripture still condemns the Catholic Church. The Bible's teachings is in many cases the complete opposite of the Catholic Churches teachings. What was stopping the Word of God from being tampered with then?
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  The Trinity

  by meadow77 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  top reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.

  their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.

  the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.

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  SwedishChef

  Gumby, from what I got from Reborn is that he is an atheist. He also makes it a special point to make fun of the trinitarians.

  "Don't you have to LAUGH at the Trinitarian posters in this thread."

  I apologize to Reborn for anthing inappropriate I said, however true it may be.

  Now, about the Catholic Church. I did not call the Catholic Church a filthy whore, the Bible calls it a filthy whore.
  Rev. 17:5,6 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

  By the passage, it indicates a religious system. I'm not going into it right now, but it is definately Rome, or what comes out of it. As you may know, the Vatican is in Rome.

  Besides all this, the Catholic Church's teachings are in most cases pagan and foreign to the Bible (e.i. purgatory, the pope, worship of Mary).

  Millions of true bible-believing Christians were executed under the this Church's reign of terror. They were killed because they refused to accept its doctrine. They preferred to believe the truth, Bible doctrine.

  But the Bible has weathered it all, and has stood uncorrupted. A true testament to God's power to preserve His word.
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  The Trinity

  by meadow77 in

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  2. beliefs

  top reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.

  their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.

  the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.

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  SwedishChef

  reborn, you have no purpose in this forum is what i am saying
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  The Trinity

  by meadow77 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  top reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.

  their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.

  the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.

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  SwedishChef

  Reborn, you and the other atheists are serving less of a purpose by contributing then any of us are. In fact, you have no purpose. You have absolutely no comprehension of Scripture nor do you wish to. Strangly enough though, you actually take a side agaisnt the Trinitarians, when you don't even believe either view.
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  The Trinity

  by meadow77 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  top reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.

  their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.

  the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.

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  SwedishChef

  I'm just wondering what people's view points are:

  Is it by grace or works that we are saved? Or is it a mixture of both?