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The Trinity

by meadow77 in

top reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.

their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.

the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.

SwedishChef

Undis,
"I started praying to Jesus and the Father everyday."

Do you pray to Jesus and then pray to the Father?

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The Trinity

by meadow77 in

top reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.

their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.

the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.

1 John 4:15. Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. (KJV)
Also, if God dwells in you when you become saved, and Jesus says He will dwell in you, then they must be one. I don't think both dwell in you at the same time. (or switch places every once in a while)

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The Trinity

by meadow77 in

top reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.

their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.

the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.

SwedishChef

Dakota, Herk:
1 John 4:15. Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. (KJV)

God dwells in the person who confesses that Jesus is the Son of God.

John 14:16 "And I [Jesus] will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;"

This comforter is the Holy Spirit, the very Spirit of God. John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."
Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."
Exodus 31:3 "And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,"
Numbers 24:2 "And Balaam lifted up his eyes, and he saw Israel abiding in his tents according to their tribes; and the spirit of God came upon him."
Job 33:4 "The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life."

The Spirit of God is ONE with God. It's quite obvious. We should be in agreement that the Holy Spirit is one with God.

So, if the Comforter dwells in you, so does God, right?

John 14:9-17 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."

In this passage Jesus will bid the Holy Spirit will dwell in them. So, in fact, God will dwell in them, for God and Holy Spirit are one.

18-20: "I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU. Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I IN YOU."

So now Jesus identifies Himself with the Holy Spirit. He says the Holy Spirit dwell in you, then He says "I will come to you", and "IN you."

So, just by this passage, we see that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are truly one.
If Jesus is one with the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is one with the Father. Jesus says that He and His Father are ONE. The Father dwells in Him and He in the Father.

11 "Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake."

John 14:8,9 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Jesus truley identifies Himself as ONE with the Father. He says if you have SEEN ME, YOU HAVE SEEN THE FATHER.

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The Trinity

by meadow77 in

top reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.

their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.

the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.

SwedishChef

Herk, let me ask you this, what does the term "Godhead" mean?

1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." Trinity not found in the Bible eh?

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The Trinity

by meadow77 in

top reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.

their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.

the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.

SwedishChef

Herk, the sheer hilarity of the cartoon you drew up caused my side to split. I'm just now getting over it.
Things wrong with your cartoon:
1. My computer (like most made in the last 5 years) is a tower.
2. My hair isn't yellow
3. I don't wear glasses
4. I don't understand the part with "prove trinity is true with his computer." What does my computer have to do with anything?
5. My hair isn't THAT bad, unless this is a rendering of me in the morning.
6. What are those little flat yellow things floating around in my monitor?
7. My computer has a DVD drive, all I see is a A drive and a CD drive.
8. Why am I staring at the side of my computer?

I do happen to be wearing a blue shirt at the moment, so you got one thing right!

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The Trinity

by meadow77 in

top reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.

their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.

the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.

SwedishChef

John 1:1 was validated by A. T. Robertson (one of the top five Greek translators in the world at the time).
He said "As already explained, the article is not essential to speech....So in John 1:1...the subject is perfectly clear." (A Grammar of the Greek New Testament, 767)
Unless you going to start aguing with actuall reknown Greek scholars, then you must admit that John 1:1 is a correct translation.
Therefore, the Deity of Christ is affirmed. The Word was God.
Since this is the correct translation, to say that the Word was not God is just plain denial.

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The Trinity

by meadow77 in

top reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.

their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.

the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.

SwedishChef

There goes Herk with his ridiculous nonsensical cartoons. These cartoons, to me, seem like you just trying to convince yourself that the Trinity is of the devil. I bet you think your witty. But whatever gets you through the night! I'm done dealing with you Herk. Your much to childish and insulting to consume any more of my time. (I have already wasted WWWAAAYYYY too much)
Consider what this means: you can't attack the message so you attack the messenger.
This is what you have been doing Herk, attacking me. And you say your 70? I am not half your age and yet I am much more mature than you are. I don't make babyish insults and cartoons. They prove no point but that you are babyish. Your cartoons are not offensive because of the truth, (you don't have it) but because you relentlessly mock what I believe.
In response to your last post:
There is obviously a lot you have to learn about Baptist history.

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The Trinity

by meadow77 in

top reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.

their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.

the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.

SwedishChef

Herk, I thought I remembered that post being borrowed, my mistake. Still, there is nothing wrong with what I've done.
In fact, I've basically made the same points.(one about the vigin birth). Other [pagan] religions have similarities in several points to Christianity, but that doesn't mean the Bible isn't true.
I found that that post you wrote is clear twisting of Scripture. I refuted it with a simple verse. "call no man your father...there is ONE who is your Father." The Messiah is called the everlasting Father.
Anyone should find it suspicious that such a lengthy article is written about such a simple verse.
You can't attack the message, so you have to attack the messanger.

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The Trinity

by meadow77 in

top reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.

their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.

the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.

SwedishChef

"This is just another illustration of how you constantly reach for straws. You haven't been able to defend your pagan theory using your own thinking ability, so now you have to call in reinforcements from others like yourself, hoping that they can make your pagan concepts appear reasonable. Your case is appearing more and more pathetic each passing day."

The hypocrisy astounds me, Herk! I read through this article and found that it reflects what I believe. I posted it. You have done the same.
(think back to your "refutation" of Isaiah 9:6) Dakota has quoted people as well. There's nothing wrong with quoting something that expresses your thoughts. I now see how it works. You can post borrowed information, but I can't, I see how the game is!
You still haven't been able to refute Isaiah 9:6, and denying the Trinity on the basis that it's pagan still doesnt refute it.

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Donkey's never-ending atheism thread

by donkey in

wih the permission of simon, i would like to start a thread to act as a collection of thought, quotes and miscellany on atheism and agnosticism.

there are so many other threads on this subject but no one place which one can go to on here.

i have much to share - enjoy and contribute with me please.give me the storm and stress of thought and action rather than the dead calm of ignorance and faith.

SwedishChef

BIBLICAL EVIDENCES OF SCIENCE

What is now known by science today was always known by the creator. He revealed some his knowledge to us through the Bible. Science tells us the speed of light is decaying, the magnetic field is collapsing, the earth is slowly beginning to wobble on its axis, the protective ozone layer is thinning. In Psalm 102:25-26 -- God predicted the earth would wear out. These were unknown until the last century.

Science is only beginning to catch up on what God had man record in the Bible from ancient times. The Bible never claims to be a text book on science but when it does speak on nature or physics it is absolutely accurate. God speaking to Abraham who is the one he would begin to give his teachings to Gen. 13:16 And I will make your descendants as the dust of the earth; so that if a man could number the dust of the earth, then your descendants also could be numbered. Genesis 15:5 says the stars cannot be numbered by man. Jeremiah 33:32 explains the stars are beyond numbering. Before the telescope was invented, man was able to number the stars. Hipparchus said in 150 B.C. there are exactly 1,026 stars. 150 years later a Roman named Ptolemy said there are 1,056, Kepler counted 1,006. Since Galileo invented the telescope in 1608, we continued to discover more stars. Up until the last few hundred years until the discovery of the telescope there were only 6,000 stars seen by the naked eye. A modern telescope of 200 inches estimates 100 billion stars in our galaxy alone. And there are not millions but billions of such galaxies. The Biblical scientific insights were far in advance of four modern day science. Today, with our technology and high powered telescopes in space and astronomers estimate that there are 100 billion stars in our galaxy with an additional 20-100 billion galaxies in the universe! Henry Morris says there are at least 10 million, billion, billion stars! See Gen.15:5, Job 22:12; Isaiah 55:9; 1 Corinthians 15:41 and 2 Peter 3:10.

Gen. 15:5 Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them. And He said to him, So shall your descendants be. Now we know there are at least 1 hundred million, billion, billion. This would be like your counting 10 numbers per second. It would then take you a thousand, million, billion years. God's point is that we cant count with the naked eye that high.

Gen. 22:17 I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; Another example of the amount of stars that cannot be counted.

Isaiah 40:22 tells us the earth is not flat but a round sphere. The prophet states God sits above the circle on the face of the earth. The word for circle in Hebrew, is translated sphere or roundness. The Bible had refuted the flat earth theory long before scientists actually disproved it. The atmosphere is a terrestrial blanket making the earth inhabitable -- retaining heat, spreading light, providing air.(Job.26:10) Only someone who could see it from off the planet would be able to know this.

Job 22:14 says the earth is round. And He walks above the circle of heaven.
the word meaning circle, circuit, compass that is our atmosphere around the earth.
For centuries, man believed that the earth was flat. Christopher Columbus was criticized for setting sail to the other side of the earth, they expected Columbus to sail off the edge of the earth. Columbus had received his insight that motivated him from the Bible. When people thought it was flat God told us it was round. If they only read the Bible they wouldn't have been afraid to fall off.

Job 26:7 says the earth is suspended on nothing. Early man thought Atlas, a huge turtle or elephants held up the earth. In the North sky within the millions of stars is a vast expanse of blackness. The Bible was before the telescope so only God could describe it. Today we know it is gravity that holds the planets and stars in their orbits making them appears to be hung on nothing.

Job 28:25 says air has weight. Science confirms air is about 50 miles thick, exactly the right composition to support life. It's perfect for our lungs. The air filters deadly rays. If the earth was 10% larger or smaller all would die. We are in a fragile balance before the sun between frying and freezing.

Job 36:27-28; Ecclesiastes 1:6-7; Isaiah 40:12 and 55:10 explains the hydrological cycle. The condensation and hydrology maintain life, provide evaporation, transportation, precipitation and run-off . This describe the repeated cycle of precipitation, its evaporation, and condensation in the clouds. Solomon wrote in Ecclesiastes 1:6, The wind blows to the south and goes round to the north; round and round goes the wind, and on its circuits with wind returns. This was unknown to man, today science has documented the direction of wind currents and wind paths.

Job 38:12,17 and Luke 17 show the earth rotates. Ancient science taught a geocentric view of the universe. The change of night and day were thought to be caused by the sun revolving around the earth. We know today that it is the earth's rotation on its axis that gives us the affect of the sun's rising and setting. Job about 4,000 years ago, wrote Job 38:12 Have you commanded the morning since your days began, and caused the dawn to know its place,
v.14 It takes on form like clay under a seal Job paints the picture here is of clay being turned or rotated on the potter's wheel.

Job 38:16 tells us there are springs in the sea (this was not known until 1913 when they found underground rivers) Solomon mentions about the movement of water in Eccl.1:7 All streams run to the sea, but the sea is not full; to the place where the streams flow, there they flow again. Matthew Maury who lived in the middle 1800's had a career with the U.S. Navy. He was the founder of modern oceanography and hydrography. Maury was inspired by Psalm 8:8, dedicated his life to find and document these paths God had mentioned in Scripture. whatever passes along the paths of the sea. These paths were unknown before charted the winds and currents of the Atlantic. Maury draw accurate maps of ocean currents that are still used today.

Job 38:22 mentions the treasures of the snow. Each flake is of perfect dimensions and all are different. The snow is beneficial for nitrogen for fertilizer.

In Job 36:27 and 28 is the statement, He draws up the drops' of water, which distill as rain to the streams; the clouds pour Down their moisture and abundant showers fall on mankind. Here we find an accurate description of the earth's hydrologic, cycle. Even during the Middle Ages, the source of rain water was something of a mystery. But in approximately 2,000 B.C. we find job accurately describing the rain cycle.

Job 38:30 describes ice. Frozen water expands and rises. To sink would kill water life.

Job 38:31 explains the solar system. The Hebrew speaks of a pivot or hinge. In the South-Southwest is the Pleiades, 7 stars making up the center of the solar system. Amos 5:8 states the Pleiades consists of 7 stars but it was only discovered in this last century because with the naked eye one can see only 6.

Job 40:15-24 speaks of the Bohemoth and Leviathan, are what we would know as dinosaurs at the living in the same time as man.

Psalm 8:8 mentions the paths of the sea. We read about the birds of the air, and the fish of' the sea, all that swim the paths of the sea.-,. But it wasn't until the mid nineteenth century when Matthew Fontaine Maury, the father of oceanography, published his discovery that the ocean possesses predictable paths or currents. When Psalm 8 was written, the only seas known to the Hebrews were the Dead Sea, the Sea of Galilee, the Mediterranean, and the Red Sea.' These bodies of water did not possess paths or significant observable currents. It took Matthew Maury a great deal of time to collect the crude observational data that existed from the fifteenth to the nineteenth century to make his own discovery. And yet the Psalmist wrote of the paths of the seas.

Psalm 102:25,26 reveals the earth is wearing down, the magnetic field is collapsing the earth is slowly beginning to wobble on its axis, the protective ozone layer is thinning, the 2nd law of thermodynamics proves everything is wearing down.

Psalm 139:13-16 poetically describes the value of the DNA molecule in the formation of the unborn child.

Proverbs 8:26 explains the dust particles and the air which makes light.

Proverbs 16:24 and 17:22 explains psychotherapy.

We read in Ecclesiastes 1:6-7, The wind blows to the south and turns to the north; round and round it goes, ever returning on its course. All streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is never full. To the place the streams come from, there they return again. Here King Solomon, writing 3,000 years ago explains how the oceans are the origin of rain. tells us the wind has currents. Meteorology or the circulation of winds move by fixed laws., speaks of global wind currents and the earth's water cycle. The phrase, 'the wind blows to the south and turns to the north; round and round it goes, ever returning on its course' is an accurate and astonishing description of die circular flow of air around the earth, called the 'jet stream,' well known to anyone who watches the evening news weather reports.','( also in Isaiah 40:12.) This is only a recent understanding of scientists. Is Scripture human supposition or divine revelation?

Daniel 12:4 told us knowledge would increase. Only in the last 100 YEARS of time have we developed the common match, ink pen or safety pin. From candles to lanterns to light bulbs. The last period of time has brought us from the ox cart of the old West like the olden times of Egypt to modern planes and spacecraft. Today knowledge doubles every two weeks.

Rom.1:20 explains Atoms. tells us that things seen are made from the invisible things

Heb.11:3 By faith we understand that the worlds were framed (made to fit put in order) by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.

The things which are seen are made of things not seen. This was not known until modern science discovered the invisible atoms. Invisible to the eye microscopic structures , The Encyclopedia describes it as a unit of matter, the smallest unit of an element, having all the characteristics of that element and consisting of a dense, central, positively charged nucleus surrounded by a system of electrons. The entire structure has an approximate diameter of 10-8 centimeter and characteristically remains undivided in chemical reactions except for limited removal, transfer, or exchange of certain electrons. Atoms cannot be seen using optical microscopes, they are much smaller than the wavelengths of visible light. Seen by imaging techniques such as electron microscopes, scanning tunneling microscopes, and atomic force microscopes,

Joseph John Thomson in 1897 to involve a stream of negatively charged particles with individual masses much smaller than that of any atom. These particles were called electrons, and they were soon recognized to be a constituent of all atoms. That is, atoms are not indivisible but contain parts.

In other sciences we find similar scientific prevision. In medicine, God had directed Abraham to circumcise newborn males specifically on the eighth day (Genesis 17:12). It wasn't until the twentieth century we discovered that only after eight days of life does vitamin K in the infant's diet permit prothrombin, an important blood clotting factor, to reach its peak. To circumcise on an earlier day, when the clotting mechanism is immature, could result in excessive bleeding. Further, there are many other cultures that circumcise their males on the first, fourth, sixth, seventh, or twentieth days of life. If the Jews had discovered the eighth day merely by trial and error, why didn't other cultures do so? Clearly Jewish practice was based on obedience to divine revelation. Deut.23:12-14, Lev. 17:11, and many other Scriptures reflect hygienic or medical knowledge far in advance of its time. The life is in the blood.

Leviticus 17:11 shows us the life of flesh is in the blood. Something only recently discovered by science. There are 75,000 miles of veins and arteries in the body to carry the blood.

Many of the great scientific discoveries were inspired through the Word of God. As men who trusted God as the creator discovered an intelligent designer for the universe and pursued what he inspired others to write thousands of years before.

While the Bible is not written as a science textbook when it speaks on nature and science it is accurate. Only the creator could communicate this.
A good portion of our modern science was founded by creationists.

Francis and Roger Bacon.

Galileo=Heliocentricity

Sir Issac Newton= Calculas and gravity, particle theory of light

Joseph Lister= Antiseptic surgery

Matthew Maury- Discovery of oceanography from Psalms 8:8

Louis Pastuer = sterilization, bacteriology he is one of the greatest biologists.

Johann Kepler =celestial mechanics astronomy

Robert Boyle= founder of chemistry ( a Christian ).

William Harvey= circulation of the blood.

Modern discoveries by Christians= Michael faraday -made the generator and electro magnetic induction

Samuel Morris made the telegraph and his first words Numb.23:23 what God has wrought."

James Simpson was the founder of ginecology founded chloroform on Adams deep sleep (he said his greatest discovery was that he had a savior.)

Charles Barage= Computer, speedometer, opthamaloscope ( a Christian)

Carolus Lineaus= Gave us the family of species the Genesis kind (believer in the Bible) Taxonomy.

Nicolas Steno= Father of the science of stratography