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ColdRedRain
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CJJW July 2010 in Rochester, MN...anyone going?
by MNyea inhey, i was wondering if anyone else is going to the cjjw in rochester, mn next year.
i want to stay in the same place as other jw, but not sure where everyones going?!
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For those who accept the concept of "Race"
by TD in--i personally don't, but it appears that many here unhesitatingly do.. for those that do, i'm honestly curious why you do.
is there a rational basis for the acceptance of the concept of "race" that can be tested?.
for example, here are eight people from eight ethnic groups.
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ColdRedRain
I did a paper on the concept of "race" before. We're not really of different "races", we're really just a transition of peoples. If you take a snapshot of people from Sri Lanka, to India, to Pakistan, Nepal, Tibet, China, and Siberia and then go west and rotate south, you'll notice that everybody looks slightly, but not too different from each other in a human spectrum. Until the advent of vehicular travel, men and women met each other like this:
Boy meets girl next door. Boy likes girl next door. Boy marries girl next door. It was only after the advent of vehicular travel, did we actually get to see the spectrum of what humankind is, to the point where a guy like me can probably claim over 15 different ethnicities. (I was born in the West Indies, a part of the world that was a hub for trading and slave owning, hence my mixed ethnic heritage). My current girlfriend herself is of German/French/Irish/Portugese ancestry and the woman I dated before that was of Italian/Irish ancestry, ethnic mixes you probably would not commonly see before the advent of vehicular travel.
So, if me and my current have any kids, who's up for some kosher curried vegan jerked bratwurst with a side of pallela, cabbage, red wine, coconuts and English style chips? I'll even invite some of your white supremacist friends if you are a big enough POS to have any, just so I can personally blow their stupid crack theories out of the water just by existing.
Oh, and I take a Korean martial art, so there's some Kim Chi as an appetizer, but that's not related to ethnicity, that's just me adopting another culture's art.
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CJJW July 2010 in Rochester, MN...anyone going?
by MNyea inhey, i was wondering if anyone else is going to the cjjw in rochester, mn next year.
i want to stay in the same place as other jw, but not sure where everyones going?!
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ColdRedRain
I might be going to the convention again next year in Rochester, but this time, I'll try to be a nice little boy and not let any pictures of men kissing with references to Governing Body Member Leo Greenlees' closeted homosexuality and pedophilia get printed out like I did the last time I went.
Yes, I did it, so what? I was bored and my mom was being her bitchy, controlling self again that year.
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For those who accept the concept of "Race"
by TD in--i personally don't, but it appears that many here unhesitatingly do.. for those that do, i'm honestly curious why you do.
is there a rational basis for the acceptance of the concept of "race" that can be tested?.
for example, here are eight people from eight ethnic groups.
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ColdRedRain
They're all "Asian"
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Types of XJWs, part 2
by ColdRedRain ini had a meltdown the other day with some family matters and i couldn't conclude the second part of my essay about the types of xjws.
i'm somewhat better right now, so i'm concluding the essay today.. .
the brett favre.
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ColdRedRain
I had a meltdown the other day with some family matters and I couldn't conclude the second part of my essay about the types of XJWs. I'm somewhat better right now, so I'm concluding the essay today.
The Brett Favre
Once had a high position in the faith, but the religion didn't want them anymore, so they decided to tell everybody where the bodies were buried and do anything they can to spite their old faith. These days, you can find many Brett Favres, as the WTS has made many cutbacks at Bethel. As much as the WT tries to spin a Brett Favre release as something beneficial for the organization, the fact that there are so many Favres running around is a sign that the WT cannot afford to keep up appearances. Brett Favres are a subset of the "Mad as Can Be". Usually, their leadership skills gained at Bethel or being a CO or elder lends well into rival churches and they usually succeed as ministers in those churches, leading some in JW circles to say that "they formed their own groups in opposition to Jehovah". However, few can achieve being true Brett Favres, since to be a true Brett Favre, you have to defect, gain high status in your new, more mainstream church and not form a cult of personality.
The Wild Child:
Finds WT rules to be restrictive and rebels, although few are aware why the WT rules are restrictive. Faulty theology or procedural irregularities don't really faze wild children, they just want to have fun. They are the ones that would most likely get drunk and go to night clubs, but will turn you in if you start discussing theology. Wild Childs are the most common former Witnesses, but cannot be called XJWs in their own rights, since to be an XJW, you have to not believe in the theology anymore.
The Rudderless Ship.
Only goes with the flow. They're in because their friends, family or spouse is in and nothing else. Sort of like the Wild Child, but many rudderless ships know deep down inside, that the theology's flawed and would probably be the most likely to turn in a JW if the JW's proposed SHTF moment actually occurs. Rudderless ships are more common than you think.
The Fader
They do they "fade". They're sort of like the rudderless ship except they actually know that there's something not right but their family's still in and they want to leave and be known as "spiritually weak" before fading and simply not attending. They do the typical fade. Usually by not going out on service, then not going to the weekday meetings, then usualy not going to the Sunday meetings, then only appearing during conventions, then only appearing during the memorial service, then ditching the entire religion and moving on. How successful of a fade you can do usually relies on how you can keep yourself from doing "worldly" activities
The Closeter
A lot like the fader, except they still have friends in and would like to keep those relationships in tact. The closeter may be hypervigilant and be as vocal of a JW as possible, but deep down inside, they know it's false and they try to do their non JW activities out of town or in nearby towns. The closeter tries their hardest not to be exposed, and may keep their behavior as uncandid as possible. Closeting may be a method that a Wild Child or a Whitney Houston uses, but they're not closeters per se. A closeter is somebody who closets themselves based on theological disagreements, not because they disagree with the rules. I personally know a closeted JW that's closeted in more ways than one.
The Naturalized Ex Pat
The Nirvana for all Faders, Closeters, Brett Favres and Mad as Can Bes. No longer are they concerned with their former religion's dealings. They no longer keep in good contact with the family from the old country or even with dissidents from the old country in the new country. They may read news about the old country and even may discuss theology with people from the old country. But at the end of the day, they've moved on to a new life. They've had their weddings in a local church. They celebrate Christmas without the fear of somebody seeing and disfellowshipping or shunning them. They vote, they participate in campaigns, they practice martial arts etc, without a second thought. The JWs were a past life. They've now gained citizenship in a new country and couldn't care less what everybody else is doing in the old land.
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Revenge of the Mentally Unhealthy Family
by ColdRedRain ini won't parse words.
if i continue in this situation, i'm going to be dead by my own hands.
having them in my life is getting to the point where i can't function and i will choose not to function anymore.
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ColdRedRain
I'm a low carb vegan who hardly eats bread or wheat, just beans, curried vegetables and the like.
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Revenge of the Mentally Unhealthy Family
by ColdRedRain ini won't parse words.
if i continue in this situation, i'm going to be dead by my own hands.
having them in my life is getting to the point where i can't function and i will choose not to function anymore.
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ColdRedRain
It's still stressful although not critical yet. I'm trying to cope as much as possible... but here is what triggered everything.
My brother came to town a week ago. The same brother that has such the charming personality (1). The same one that tried to attack me last year (And I do say "tried" because he couldn't figure out how to slip my guard, thanks to my martial arts lessons and JW's prohibition on martial arts). He was repeating the typical abusive behavior that I grew sick and tired of for the better part of my life. He would verbally or physically abuse me, "make it up to me" by buying me off, and then let the situation subside before something else sets him off. I wanted to have nothing to do with the asshole because I knew he'd try that same game with me again, but my family kept on trying to push me into "accepting his apology". I didn't want to accept his apology because I knew I would get sucked into their game again. What's worse, my naive cousin was having the same issues with my family's emotionally abusive behavior and she wanted to off herself too, but she's still taking the red pill and would have nothing to do with me "bashing the organization". I'm honestly afraid that she will kill herself because of the pressure of my family to do something she clearly does not want to do, which is become a Jehovah's Witness. I really don't want her to kill herself because she's very precious to me. I've never had a little sister, and she's the closest thing I've ever had to a little sister. Because of the stress from my family, she married a guy who I knew growing up, was a sociopath. The sociopath manipulated my cousin into marrying her. I knew how he thought. He would always try to manipulate the weak hearted or those down on their luck. I didn't want her getting screwed over and becomming the Whitney Houston type JW that I previously described before my breakdown yesterday.
I recently started taking up a course in college to help me gain my A+ computer repair certification and use that as a springboard to get the hell out of my family's house, but I couldn't concentrate in class because of the medicine I'm taking. I'm taking seroquel for sleeping aid because preparing for life and the way out of my house has been stressing me out and I can't get any sleep. Also, I became addicted to caffine, just so I can do more work with less energy due to the seroquel I'm taking for sleep.
I know there's a way out (Find steady employment, move out, change my number and file a restraining order on my family) but it's hard for me to find and keep employment because of this fucking disorder.
That's what caused the stress in my life last night.
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Revenge of the Mentally Unhealthy Family
by ColdRedRain ini won't parse words.
if i continue in this situation, i'm going to be dead by my own hands.
having them in my life is getting to the point where i can't function and i will choose not to function anymore.
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ColdRedRain
I can't play the dubbie game. I already have a borg-free GF and I've lived my life as an XJW for so long, many people in my community know about my feelings being an XJW. The elders around here know that I know too much about the borg and they will see fit that I don't become a disturbance in the area if I know too much.
Again, you make the call.
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Revenge of the Mentally Unhealthy Family
by ColdRedRain ini won't parse words.
if i continue in this situation, i'm going to be dead by my own hands.
having them in my life is getting to the point where i can't function and i will choose not to function anymore.
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ColdRedRain
The thing is, I want to ditch them, I need to ditch them, but I have no resources to ditch them. It's either I play along with the dubbie game, off myself or I become homeless. You make the call.
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Revenge of the Mentally Unhealthy Family
by ColdRedRain ini won't parse words.
if i continue in this situation, i'm going to be dead by my own hands.
having them in my life is getting to the point where i can't function and i will choose not to function anymore.
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ColdRedRain
Yeah, there's a long line for that. I've been waiting for 5 years.