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What is the current teaching on resurrection of a Jehovah's Witness.

by Triple A in

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what is the current teaching on resurrection of a jehovah's witness.

if they are active when they die will they be resurrected?do they have to meet so many hours, so many books placed?.

the reason for this question is that my jw friend just had a very close jw friend of theirs die.

Phil

However, JWs do not believe that EVERYONE will be resurrected. The above only applies to those deemed worthy of resurrection by Jesus. Death does not absolve a person from a heinous or evil course of life, it only renders those resurrected or those given a second-chance at life as it were, to get a "fresh start" without the sins of their former lives being weighed

This assumes that belief in Jesus Christ is a requirement to be eligible for the benefits at the exclusion of all non Christians (4.5 billion strong in existance today). I am sure Usama Bin Laden believes in God and is satisfied that what he is doing is acceptable to God.

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Is there proof of Evolution out there? help needed

by trumangirl in

i've faded, but i still would like to have faith in a creator/god.

but i am really not sure if my belief in god is the result of being brought up a jw and being stuck with a particular world-view.

the best thing i can do is challenge myself by reading some material that explains proof of the evolution, but i have not seen anything that does this yet, i've only seen explanations of the theory, not the proof.

Phil

Remember that evolution is a theory and religion (God) is a belief system. Theories go on for ever based on new findings as time goes on. Belief systems is usualy based on who brought you up and/or who did the best job of convincing you what to believe. Yes, you can believe in God and follow the theory of evolution. Some religious groups would frown on the mix. Evolution is based on facts found as well as opinions that are based on fact obtained by observation.

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Is the Bible Just B.S.?

by shamus in

do you think that god enjoys killing people?

it sure sounds like it to me; jw doctrine more or less scared me into thinking that god is going to kill all persons whom he/she thinks is not doing his will.

my question is, how can god kill someone for not being "christian", or following the bible out of sheer ignorance?

Phil

Stilla & Little toe

Agreed. Also there is an enormous amount of writings, that are not called "Bible", by people of wisdom since the beginning of time. A lot of it is duplication from a previous era. If we only had another lifetime to absorb all that has been written.

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Is the Bible Just B.S.?

by shamus in

do you think that god enjoys killing people?

it sure sounds like it to me; jw doctrine more or less scared me into thinking that god is going to kill all persons whom he/she thinks is not doing his will.

my question is, how can god kill someone for not being "christian", or following the bible out of sheer ignorance?

Phil

Drop all concepts of god,,, and then you have god..,,,Without concept,,,you have god,,, with concept,,,, you can not have god. For god by nature has to

transcend nature,,so god is not natural,,,for there is no natural,,, only "concepts" of natural.

Heavy!!

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Is the Bible Just B.S.?

by shamus in

do you think that god enjoys killing people?

it sure sounds like it to me; jw doctrine more or less scared me into thinking that god is going to kill all persons whom he/she thinks is not doing his will.

my question is, how can god kill someone for not being "christian", or following the bible out of sheer ignorance?

Phil

As far as I know, ALL religions are man made and there is plenty of proof out there. They are part of the belief systems out there that have permeated the world over the centuries. Trying to prove all the items related to the existance of a religion is a waste of time. The final answer always returns to "God" did it or it is inspired by God. That is considered proof. Of course the most ridiculus conclusion is that the Governing body of the Jehovah's Witnesses and/or the Watch Tower are the sole source of the truth as communicated to them from God beats them all.

God has nothing to do with our everyday life. Praying to God for help is a total waste of time from a practical point of view. Belief systems do not mix with the practical things of life. If you are a believer in the powerof prayer, by all means, pray your head off if it gives you some satisfaction. For me it must make sense and I must see the fruits of my prayer to God.

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Confused JW sends email to me -- response suggestions?

by Quotes in

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another email from a very confused jw: .

date: mon, 05 apr 2004 18:55:00 +0200 .

from: "gideon blankenaar" .

Phil

Well, quotes, it apears that there are not too many xJWs who can help you. I agree with most that you could supply a little more background. Perhaps you could start by getting more information then ask for the help. I am not a JW so I really do not qualify as an expert in the cult.

If I knew my daughters email address perhaps she could help him. She seems to be in this thing up to her pretty eyeballs and drowning.

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JW's BANNED IN RUSSIA - 04-01-04

by 4JWY in

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jehovah's witnesses banned from moscow by russian court.

is the heading of the article in the religious section of our newspaper yesterday.

moscow (ap) a moscow court has banned the religious activities of jehovah's witnesses from the russian capital in a move that critics called a step back for democracy and religious freedom.

Phil

Amac

You say that the JWs do not "zap" people into joining the Watch Tower. I beg to differ. There are a lot of gullible people out there and I say with a great degree of certainty that my daughter was "zapped" into joining that crappy outfit. Only the gullable and the innocent give way to the JW methods of converting people to that cult. My daughter is an educated woman and she had a lot going for her until the Jehovahs witnesses used her then boyfriend toconvince her that the JW way is the only way. She apparently was told not to discuss the matter with her parents until the very end at which time it was too late. She now is in Patterson NY cleaning toilets and washing floors and I assume she now has declared extreme poverty as she makes about $90 per month, pays no social security. If this continues, she can look forward to retirement living at the mercy of the Watch Tower with no money from the SS Administration because she did not pay into it. I said it before in this thread that Religions need to be defined and those whose doctrines are damaging our society should be unqualified to operate as a ligitimate "Religion". Door to door prosthalatizing should be outlawed.

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Note to the blind ones (anti-apostasy)

by Razor in

i notice a lot of anti-jehovah's witenesses post here so i will speak my peace.

2 peter 3:3 .

"for you know this first, that in the last days there will come ridiculers with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires" .

Phil

an endless topic which oLets just go our seprate ways and forget this even happened. It would be the wise thing to do than
continue nly time will settle

It appears that time has already settled it and you are unwilling to accept it..

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JW's BANNED IN RUSSIA - 04-01-04

by 4JWY in

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friends

jehovah's witnesses banned from moscow by russian court.

is the heading of the article in the religious section of our newspaper yesterday.

moscow (ap) a moscow court has banned the religious activities of jehovah's witnesses from the russian capital in a move that critics called a step back for democracy and religious freedom.

Phil

Boy this is a popular thread. The simple answer is to define the word "Religion" all the rest is talk.

Not covered is that I for one do not want to pay the taxes that the Watchtower should be paying. Included are all the others such as, Mormons, Moonies, etc.,

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Note to the blind ones (anti-apostasy)

by Razor in

i notice a lot of anti-jehovah's witenesses post here so i will speak my peace.

2 peter 3:3 .

"for you know this first, that in the last days there will come ridiculers with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires" .

Phil

Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother,"let me take the speck out of your eye", when there is a log in your own eye?