Posts by Chap

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Apocryphal Books of the Bible

by nativenyr23 in

was watching a history channel program last night (yeah, i'm a history channel geek!

) and was introduced for the first time in my life to the apocryphal books of the bible?!?!?!?!?

omg....fascinating.

If my understanding is correct, the Roman Catholic Bible did not include the Apocryphal books until after the meeting of the hierarchy at what we know as The Council Of Trent. The beliefs and doctrines of the “official” church stated that Mary remained a virgin, (contradicting Matthew and others) that Mary was worthy of worship, purgatory, etc.

Martin Luther posted his 95 Thesis on the Wittenberg Door stating that these beliefs and others were essentially wrong thereby starting the Protestant Reformation. The Roman Church had to justify these beliefs so in haste they included the Apocrypha into the biblical canon. These books were not included previously because of the obvious contradictions to the other books that were deemed more reliable. I understand that the writer of one of the Maccabees for example got so many historical facts wrong that he seemed confused as to the history he wrote about. I have not read these books so maybe someone can tell me if the doctrines above are in fact in the Apocryphal books.

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Proof of the resurection of Jesus Christ?

by Chap in

a while ago, i think abaddon and others asked for secular accounts for christ's resurection in response to something i wrote.

i believe i stated that if jesus didn't rise from the dead, everything else in christianity would be moot.

in a book called can christianity be proven?

Chap

How could archaelogical evidence PROVE babied werent murdered?.......dig up the graves of all the dead at that time and see if there was a bunch of babies buried there? How on earth could archaeology prove something didn't happen? What you just said was ridiculous!

Archaeological evidence has never been able to prove that an event documented in the (protestant) Bible did not happen. When there have been disagreements between secular history and biblical history, conclusive archaeological evidence has come down on the side of the Bible every single time. If an archaeological dig brings out a decree that says something to the affect of "all babies under 6 months shall be killed" at the time of Christ's birth, that will prove that Matthew was wrong and a liar because he said "two years." The writers of scripture have always taken great care to make sure what they have written was true and archaeology has proven this.

rem, the casket writings are just added evidence. When we put all the evidence together, we have proof.

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Proof of the resurection of Jesus Christ?

by Chap in

a while ago, i think abaddon and others asked for secular accounts for christ's resurection in response to something i wrote.

i believe i stated that if jesus didn't rise from the dead, everything else in christianity would be moot.

in a book called can christianity be proven?

Chap

If writings like that, on a tomb/coffin is evidence that someone existed then the other 5 I mentioned existed and that is the evidence

seedy,

Jesus lived and had the written works of many eyewitnesses to prove it. If you do not believe the written testimonies of Luke, Paul, Peter, James, John, Matthew, and Mark, I cannot help that. The extra evidence of the casket is icing but if you don't believe the main evidence, than I guess you won't believe the rest no matter how much there is.

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Proof of the resurection of Jesus Christ?

by Chap in

a while ago, i think abaddon and others asked for secular accounts for christ's resurection in response to something i wrote.

i believe i stated that if jesus didn't rise from the dead, everything else in christianity would be moot.

in a book called can christianity be proven?

Chap

"Our spiritual lives were to be informed by the way in which The Master lived his life, not by the manner of his death nor of his resurrection. Thus the entire point is MOOT."

Francois; Jesus prophesied numerous times that he was going to die and then rise from the dead.

Deut. 18:20-22 King James Version
But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. [21] And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken? [22] When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

If Jesus did not rise from the dead, then The Master would not be worthy of worship because he would have proven to be a false prophet.

Gumby, The fact that secular writers do not record an event does not falsify the event. When archaeoligical evidence proves that the genocide recorded in Matthew did not happen, then I'll believe it.

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Proof of the resurection of Jesus Christ?

by Chap in

a while ago, i think abaddon and others asked for secular accounts for christ's resurection in response to something i wrote.

i believe i stated that if jesus didn't rise from the dead, everything else in christianity would be moot.

in a book called can christianity be proven?

Chap

how does that show he even existed, much less resurected?

Why would someone write "Jesus, let him who rests here arise." if there wasn't a person whos name is Jesus that rose from the dead? It seems to me that he knew the teachings of what we call the New Testament so he hoped Jesus would raise him from the dead like he promised. There is more written about this man Jesus than any other person of the first century and it is not satisfactory to you that this man even existed. Did Pilate exist? If I say he didn't I have less to explain away.

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Proof of the resurection of Jesus Christ?

by Chap in

a while ago, i think abaddon and others asked for secular accounts for christ's resurection in response to something i wrote.

i believe i stated that if jesus didn't rise from the dead, everything else in christianity would be moot.

in a book called can christianity be proven?

Chap

seedy3

Have you heard of the achaelogical evidence of the ancient caskets in Jerusalem? One translated into English says "Jesus Help!" and another says "Jesus, let him who rests here arise." I got this info from the same book I used previously.

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I went to Church today

by Trauma_Hound in

jw
friends

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... and donated a bunch of adult and baby food for the homeless.

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Chap

I am not an ex JW. I am what people would consider a born-again fundamentalist. I agree with you about the Mercedes but I have a story to relate. The reason I agree that pastors (and laypeople) should not drive around in fancy cars and live lavish lifestyles is the stumbling block issue. I am quoting from memory but Jesus said "it is inevitable that stumbling blocks will come but woe to the man by which they come." Question: Would you have stayed longer and possibly come back if the pastor was driving an old pick-up truck instead of the Mercedes? According to Jesus' teaching, that man could be in trouble come judgement day.

Now the story. The pastor and his wife who retired last year served as a missionary to Africa for many years. I forget where exactly but he sure had some stories to tell. Anyway, he drove a Lincoln Town Car which was fairly new because he had a friend from college that owned a garage and got him the car for about 5 grand. He was about 60 and you can't get a decent car for much less than that anyway. He related this story from the pulpit about how he got the car. You couldn't keep this man from taking out the trash or climbing up ladders etc. (Well we made him agree not to climb ladders so he kept his word.) I had a discussion about the car especially from a visitors viewpoint about appearances but after serving so much time in the bush, I could see how one could say he should be able to drive a nice car. I'm not saying that a majority of pastors are like this man is but you can't always judge a book by its cover.

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If your conscience is troubling you - just deaden it.

by Holey_Cheeses*King_of_the juice. in

the subject matter is a quote from by father-in-law, a staunch.

knows-no-better-all-his-life-a-jw, which although said with a touch of humour, contains a measure of credibility as to how jw's can justify a lot of their actions.

they have no conscience, or, if they do, they 'deaden' or numb it, to allow them to continue on their course.. just call me holey_cheeses.

Chap

Welcome aboard Cheeses. I believe that if I know who created my conscience, I know who created me. I believe the author of my conscience said this "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul and all your mind and love your neighbor as yourself." I find that if I am doing something that is in agreement with the above statement, there are no "bells and whistles" so to speak going off in my conscience. I also believe that as one deadens his or her conscience, the chances of that person going to heaven decrease. I know this may open a can of worms but I guess I'm ready.

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All About Jesus Christ

by UnDisfellowshipped in

truth book (1981), page 52:.

of the resurrection to heavenly life, the bible says: it is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body.

*** the watchtower, march 15th 1954 issue, page 187 ***.

Chap

Jesus could have accepted Satan's offer, and then Jesus would have been made King over all the world without having to die on the Cross. However, without Jesus dying on the Cross, all people would still die in their sins, and go to Hell after they died. Not to mention that I don't even know what would have happened after God Himself worships Satan and goes against His own Word

I agree with the above statement. I have wondered what would have happened if Jesus Christ had not carried out God the Father's will. I think that eventually, everything would have ceased to exist because everything is held together by the Word of God and the Word of God would have been broken.

JLOB, When a person says "Jesus" I assume he is talking about Jesus Christ. Jesus and Christ cannot be separated because they are one in the same. I do not quite understand what you are saying when you say Christians erroneously worship Jesus. Consider the following:

Matthew 16:13-17 King James Version
When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? [14] And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. [15] He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? [16] And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. [17] And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

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Christianity is the worst disaster in human history!

by happysunshine in

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is there any basis for these claims?.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/index.html

Chap

I cannot think of one country that was founded totally on goodness but it can be argued that the authors of America's founding documents put their concept of God in their writings. If you read the history of George Washington, you know that he feared God. Patrick Henry may have been a born again Christian. The three branches of government seem parallel to God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. There was no government in history that turned the tables in the manner that the USA works where the one (or few) is supposed to serve the many. This allowed people to be free to worship as they pleased and to invent things that raised the standard of living. America than became a dominant country in a little over 100 years. We now enjoy things that the world never knew and I argue that if Jesus Christ hadn't lived on earth, these things would not be.

If you had to choose between "Middle Age Christianity" and America that better exemplified the teachings of Jesus Christ, which would you choose? I know what my choice would be.