Its been a while, probably over 12 years since I had any contact with people in his area. At that time, his girls and stepson were all out. Not surprising, given the heavyhanded tactics of an overbearing yes-man. I could never stand him, looks like he hasnt changed his tune any.
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Mr. Wade from noblood.org
by turtleturtle inchoices are or are not.
witnesses we do not.
of their choices.
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Mr. Wade from noblood.org
by turtleturtle inchoices are or are not.
witnesses we do not.
of their choices.
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Tech49
I stumbled upon this page, and was intrigued. I too know/knew Mr. Jan Wade before he became "all that". For him to deny knowing anything about doctrinal changes is a complete lie. He was, at the time I knew him, an elder...... and a very pompous ass of one at that. He reveled in thumping on the lesser ones, and terrorizing anyone not "qualified" to be in his presence. His arrogance destroyed his own family......but apparently somewhere along the way he achieved a "pseudo-degree" in the medical field, in between scrubbing toilets and selling janitorial supplies.
Justita Themis, PM me..... we may know each other.
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Hang on, am going to go get popcorn................
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Letting go of Highly Qualified Men
by James Jackson ini have been posting for a few months now and have read the life stories of tech49, confusedandalone, winston smith and other brothers who have held prominent positions in the organization who were dismissed not for any gross sins, but mainly for not keeping their child toeing the line.
they have been "cast aside", nit picked to death, and made to feel unworthy for their years of dedicated service.
even in my case, having my best friends treat me like the plague to jockey for position of recogntion.. is this what the organization is resorting to now?
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James Jackson, you are thinking about this from the wrong direction. Allow me to explain....
Firstly, let me say that I understand where you are coming from. Good men, honest, caring, intelligent men are being pushed out of the organization every day.
Those taking the "control" in the congregations are pompous, arrogant, inexperienced, and generally selfish in nature. They hurt people emotionally, sometimes physically. They take advantage of people to further their own interests, to gain power and glory... because that is what they think will bring happiness and satisfaction
I too have seen the 30-something, newly appointed elder, Mr. MyShi*DoesntStink, that badgers and berates those around him, whilst sticking his nose so far up the hind end of the COBE and the CO that no one seems to notice. Seen it. I see too Brother BeenAServantAtBethelandNowIKnowItAll. Has known nothing else, and is suddenly an elder with an attitude, and anyone else in the congregation just barely qualifies to be in his presence...Or the elderly brother, an elder who has never had family, and probably never been married, or at least divorced a long time ago, and is the expert in how to raise children and how to be a marriage mate in this difficult economy. Or the elders that just show up, warm a seat, and cant seem to give anyone the time of day, cause they have so much paperwork to do!
It's painful to watch, because we care for those who are being used up, those who are desirous of love, those who genuinely need to be shepherded, and cared for on a spiritual and emotional level. They are tired, like we were. It sickens me to see those who know the reality of where they are at.... herded, pushed, and guilted into a lifestyle they know deep down is not the way things should be, and deep down they know it is unhealthy for their hearts and minds.
Here's the difference between the masses, and the few.... they dont know what to do. They know nothing else, they are afraid of change, they can't take the wheel.
You see, at some point, it's the rare individual that just stops. Just stops and looks around. Stops and listens to the noise around his head. Only when he or she stops and listens can they truly hear what is going on. Until then, its all just a dull roar.
You see, my friend Mr James Jackson, you have stopped. You are hearing what noises make up the roar around you. You are learning to tune out the static and the screaming and the guilting and the attitudes.... and you feel like YOU are the one in the wrong. Amongst the noise, you heard a bird, you hear a waterfall, you hear the sunrise of a new day.
You are not wrong my friend. The congregations ARE letting go of highly qualified men. Because they are waking up. And when they wake up, they put themselves in a position to BE LET GO, whether its consciously or not, they put themselves in that positon. I know I did, and it sounds like you did too, as have many others.
The conflict you feel comes from the feeling that THEY SHOULDNT HAVE LET ME GO !!! I feel it too, every day.
I spent some time recently with a very good friend, currently serving as a COBE in another nearby congregation. One of the VERY few people I would ever confide my feeling to. Over a few beers, I laid it all out, from A to Z, from beginning to end. I waited anxiously for grand words of wisdom, for the spirit to move the conversation, to feel the hand of a spiritual father. His response was one that caught me completely off guard, and at the same time explained everything, and lent credibility to it all.
"Jack,I understand completely.... I just want to move far away, just me and the wife. Mexico maybe. The coast. I want to wear bermuda shorts, and fish in the ocean. Every day, every single day. And nothing else. I am sick and tired of all the politics, the backstabbing, the complaining, the drudgery of it all. We already have a plan in place, and will be there within 2-3 years, we haven't told anyone, but its where we will be....... wanna come visit?"
I was aghast, yet strangely vindicated. He was awake, he too could hear the sunrise of a new day.
James Jackson, do not look behind you. Look forward. Yep. They let you go. They shouldn't have. Doesnt make sense, dont try and make it make sense.
Too bad for them. Too bad for them......
Peace be with you and yours,
Jack Harper, Tech49
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Bibles, What bibles ??
by Tech49 inso....... captain obvious asks........where are the placement bibles then?.
we have the newly massaged, repainted, sister-proof nwt (with its errors .
but the larger question remains..... if this is an organization that is here to spread the good news from the holy scriptures, why is it that all the rolly carts and literature counters are chock full of bible teach books, but not one bible can be found?.
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So....... Captain Obvious asks........where are the placement bibles then?
We have the newly massaged, repainted, sister-proof NWT (with its errors ) to use at all meetings, and when out in the field service.
But the larger question remains..... if this is an organization that is here to spread the Good News from the HOLY SCRIPTURES, why is it that all the rolly carts and literature counters are chock full of BIBLE TEACH books, but not one bible can be found?
THERE still ARE NO BIBLES to place in the field, or to give to interested ones! Did Holy Spirit forget about that one?
My Dear householder: You want your own copy of the Bible, sorry, don't have one. If, by some miracle of miracles, I do happen to find an old black or red one, I can't give it to you..... its OLD LIGHT.
Yes, they said that the Silver Sword will be available after the first of the year.... but what about placement copies meanwhile?
Guess we will just keep giving out 16-page coloring books and Bible-substitutes (Bible Teach book). You don't really need a bible, do you? Or you can go to the website and download one!
Doh. Facepalm....
Cheers, Tech49
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CANCELL MY REQUEST FOR MEMBERSHIP I HATE APOSTATES
by Simon inlol, just received this email:.
idiots!
you of weak minds that have chosen to leave the truth!
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Well, to be honest, I hate them too.
So if anyone sees any of the devil's kids runnin around here, help a brotha out!
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NEWBIES are leaving like crazy! Be very afraid WT
by clarity in# 3 newbie post.
first of all, the newbies have set a record here!.
have you ever seen a 4pg post where 21 new members reply!
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I would like to submit an observation:
I follow most posts almost daily, and have noticed something. Of all the new ones, and old ones alike that have been on this forum for Who-Knows-How-Long, I have always seen (with very few exceptions) a very logical, coherant group. The thinking ability, and the focus to put their feelings, sufferings, and advice out there for all to see, are top-notch. Complete, conscise, formulated sentences are the norm. Their thoughts and words actually make sense! Many of the newest of the new, within the last year for example, are a very bright bunch, and the LOGIC of it all (or lack of logic) is what they are seeing that is making them think outside the WT box.
As a stark contrast, I see some "witnesses" that leave comments on different sites, and they sound batshi* crazy! Even "witness" FB pages are nutso! They cant form a sentence to save their lives, and come across like the raving lunatic culties that they are! Its truly embarrassing.
So anyways, I think there is a definite "type", or "class" if you will, of people that we see "coming out of the woodwork", stepping back and leaving the congregations more and more saturated with loons.
Carry on.
Tech49
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Are the suppliers for all WT materials, kingdomhall materials, etc, possibly owned by those in the organization?
by EndofMysteries ini wonder if the supplying companies for kingdomhall chairs, materials, etc, happen to be owned by ones with ties to the jws?
they'd be making millions!
like the us government, politicans can't just take tax money, but if they own companies that tax money goes to, then that's how you discover the true motives.
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I know that in the area where I live on the West Coast, most, if not all of the "vendors" for the RBC items are "brothers". Not directly WT owned companies, mind you.
For example: Chairs (if needed) are usually outsourced, but specifically upholstery work done by a JW owned company. Decorations, done by a JW firm. Woodwork (podium/lecturn, bulletin board), JW oufit. Bathroom fittings (toilets, urinals, sinks, dividers, water fountains, towel and soap dispensers, etc etc) provided by a JW business. Catering/food service, JW firm.
I worked for the RBC in accounting, and have seen the invoices from the JW firms for these products and supplies. Obviously installation labor is provided free of charge, but the JW Firms that provide the items still get paid handsomely to either provide them, or make them (like the podiums, info boards, cabinets, etc). The prices they are charging back to the RBC, and ultimately the congregation, are NOT bargain prices. Typically, they are equal to or greater than normal everyday pricing points. I was a little flabbergasted at what some of the "brothers" were charging for stupid stuff like "wall decor", and "bathroom cabinets". NONE OF THEM do it for cost. ALL OF THEM tack on a nice tidy percentage for profit.
There is no "bidding" process, or contracts issued, like a typical, normal commercial entity. It goes purely off the Good-Ole-Boy system. Its all in who you know.
Kind of like the used/turned in Circuit Oveers auto sales business that charges above KBB prices. Nice way to take advantage of one another.
Reminds me of government spending... Other People's Money.
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Tech 49: the 3 F's...Fading, Field Service, and Friends
by Tech49 inhere we are, the family and i, moving along in our slow journey to freedom.
although they are unaware, for the most part, our ship is slowly veering off course.
not enough to cause attention, not enough to trigger alarm bells, but just enough.. since the summer dc, i have watched carefully, as the new releases remain on the coffee table, in plain sight, not touched, more of a decoration that anything.
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Just a minor update to my original post:
The new releases from the DC have moved from the coffee table. They got dusty, and in the midst of cleaning, at some point, got relegated to the bookshelf. Too funny, I don't think anyone in the house has even opened them. I opened the new book just to check the fact that it was printed in ANOTHER COUNTRY.... ANOTHER CONTINENT!
I digress...
A week or so ago I noted the following little event... it made me laugh a little..
Ms Harper (Vic) usually studies her WT for Sunday on her IPAD. Cool, alot of people do, I myself am more old school, I like paper and ink for that sort of thing. Kids and I are watching an action/thriller movie, with copious amounts of gunfire, bloodshed, and general mayhem. Volume is a little loud, and I am just sure that Vic is soon going to ask us to turn it down.
She wanders in, sits down on the couch with us, and pulls out her IPAD. Now, I can see, she opens IBOOKS, and opens the WT for Sunday. As gunfire and car chases abound in the background, with bad guys being dispatched as needed, she is busy highlighting her WT. This continues for about 10 minutes, and I watch as she gets to about paragraph 6....... then folds it up and sets it aside.
She says, and I quote: "What did I miss?"
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Tech49 on HOURS, TIME, and REPORTS
by Tech49 ini thought i would share some of my observations on counting field service time, reports, etc.
and how those reports are viewed, to those that are still so fixated on numbers.. i served as secretary on the service committee for many years, and have seen it all!.
i was really disheartened when wt changed the requirement for aux pioneering to allow for 30 hrs, instead of the 50 it has been for so long.
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I have been pretty lax on turning in any FS reports for the last few months, for several reasons.
1. Its silly. Its a misused indicator of someone's "spiritual health"... what I do is none of anyones business.
2. A test. If I don't turn in any time, how long before someone says anything? Does anyone give a rip? Are the elders REALLY concerned about their flock? Is my FSG Overseer and his assistant (both are elders) really aware of their group.?
The answer to #2 came a couple of weeks ago. With the end of the Service Year on Aug 31, the Secretary was busy making sure all his facts and figures were up to date to turn in ASAP, to complete his annual report. I got a couple of calls, looking for some missing time. I ignored them. Really? I dont go out in FS and all I get is a call looking for a number? Seriously? Really?
So he couldn't get hold of me, so he called Victoria (Ms Harper)...... here is a brief synopsis of their conversation, as related to me:
Secretary: I need yours Mr Harper's time that I am missing... Do you know how many hours Jack got the last 2 months?
Vic: Um... mine is xx.xx I don't know what his is.
Sec: Oh, I see. Well, I need to finish this report..... so I guess I will just put him down for the same amount as you..... I am sure that you guys are about the same.
Vic: OK?. If that's what you want to do....doesnt seem right, but you should probably ask him...??
Sec: Well, ok, I will try and give him a call again.
Summary: He guessed. He fabricated (lied?). No one ever spoke to me about it. Pure fabrications, as are most of the facts and figures, as discussed in this thread at the beginning. Disgusting, yet typical.
Jack Harper, Tech49