Posts by Tech49

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What Was Your Opinion of Elder's Wives?

by minimus in

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i think that many of them were saints.

some were bitches and others seemed like they hated their status.

many wives were very good examples and were more "qualified" than their elder husbands.. .

Tech49

Let me throw out another perspective:

My wife (Vic) was officially an "elder's wife". Her and I both had been "mentored" by some very caring older ones thru the years, and we were all very well aware of the "nuances" of the "job". We learned alot, and look back with fondness at some of the memories those older ones gave us. It was a different time, and a different religion.

Vic was an excellent "elders wife", in my humble opinion. Yes, I was guilty of sharing many things with her that "technically" should not have been. But hey, she's my friend, I needed to talk about stuff, so I did not hold back. Some things she never knew, only because the knowing itself would have been a burden that she did not need to bear. I could barely choke down some of the sickening crap that I had to deal with and be aware of while serving.... I did not need her to be privvy to the disgusting junk that went down, not that she couldnt handle it better than most elders, but that she had better things to worry about.... like our young family!

Vic tried very hard to "tow the line" (correct use of the word just for you JGNAT). She worked very hard at being the vigilant "example" in all things, to temper her assertiveness, to be kind, to give to others, to break up the little cliques that popped up. In my eyes, she was the quintescential "elder's wife". She pioneered when she could, took any talk on the school, our kids were always dressed and groomed well, she mentored younger sisters, etc etc. The list goes on and on.

She was NOT, however, stupid.

......DO ....NOT.... cross this one! OMG. I have had the rare occasion to see her RIP another brother a new ass! She did not care who you were or what your title was! She was pretty good at "reminding" the brothers of their "responsibility", or lack of such, if such a reminder needed to be given, or if she saw injustice! Same with other "elders wives"! She could beat down the pompous bitches that strutted around like their shit didnt stink so fast your head would spin! WHOOOOSA !

Suffice it to say that this elder's wife made a quick name for herself as a straight shooter, and not one to be messed with. Within the last year or two, it has been her "reasonableness" and "ability to see bullsh*t" that has lead to her withdrawal from the congregation.

She was a fabulous elder's wife, and now she is "just" a fabulous wife!

I raise a glass of brew to you Vic !

Jack Harper, Tech49

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Question for those attending mid week

by All for show in

do you all know how many attend vs sundays?

talking to friends and family all find it so boring/difficult to sit through they say their meeting midweek attendance is about 50 percent less than sundays, with at least 15 percent of those leaving at the half.

we have had 3 local needs this year on staying the entire meeting, but people still leave, happily.

Tech49

I can give you a quick example from my congregation, which you will probably find is common:

Total publishers, hovers around 95.

Sunday Meeting attendance, around 75.

Midweek Meeting attendance, around 65.

Attendance during the Most Holy CO visit is usually about 125, then 2 days later on Tuesday night, it drops BELOW the average of 65. Congregation members are bored of it all. Elders are having hissy fits! Its rather comical.

I have had many conversations with different ones just lately, and there is a prevelant overall feel that the meetings have become so very BLAND, empty of anything of substance, and generally lacking in anything but fluff, rhetoric, repetition of the usual "do more, do more, pray more, pray more, give more, give more", and Governing Body worship. People are getting BORED, and TIRED. More and more seem to go for several weeks at a time without darkening the doors of the KH, more out of a desire to enjoy themselves than that of the "need" to be "fed spiritually". Public talks are 30 minutes of blah blah blah, good public speakers are almost unheard of anymore, and even Ministry School talks and demonstrations are so scripted that almost zero personal interpretation is allowed to be inserted. Again, BORING.

After the recent "super video" last week, I heard many comments along the lines of "why did we have that video?" "what was the point again?" and the best one was "why do we need to explain about 1914??""

A trend that will not soon be turned around, it would seem. Even the glitz and glamour of videos, TV shows with the GB as guest stars, HD internet feeds of Annual Meetings, shortening Assembly Weekends, thinning out magazines, shortened hour requirements for FS, etc, etc...... nothing seems to be able to truly energize the masses for more than a short period of time. Sure, you have the standard Kukoo born-n-bred JW's that never can seem to get enough, but soon enough they too will have a defining moment.

Like a crack addict.... more and more is required to get high.... and soon enough NOTHING gives the required thrill to maintain the feeling.

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Watchtower encouraging members to go and preach in Israel

by wannaexit in

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an odd letter was read at last nights' meeting.

it was in regards to a special campaign for next year arranged by the governing body to go and preach in israel.

the call is going out to anybody that speaks hebrew and english.

Tech49

Oh, and another thing..... WHY?!! Why a great campaign in a middle eastern country, where the "Iron Bubble" protects the citizens from impending rockets from their neighbors.?

Why go to Israel to preach to the masses of "heathens".? For financial gain?, no. In order to gain "converts" ?, no not likely. The amount of Witnesses in Israel is pretty small right now, and I wouldnt expect the massive explosion of newbies to be falling over themselves to bow down to the GB.

Here's the reason, in my humble opionion: to garner sympathy. Much like the poor, gullible brothers in Soviet Georgia that are taking regular beatings and imprisonments, for preaching a banned religion, and distributing banned literature. Sooner or later, in Israel or a simliar middle eastern country, someone is going to be "martyred", tortured, captured, kidnapped, or executed.

And now a "Breaking News" story on JW Broadcasting will be born. Oh, the humanity, persecution is upon God's people! What a wonderful example to all you fat, materialistic slobs that have not submitted to GB instructions!

Self-made persecution. This is embarrassing.

Put yourself in harms way, and harm will run over you like a truck.

To any active JW's who may be reading this..... please use some common sense. Just because 7 dudes in a NY highrise say its safe, dont bet your life on it, dont bet your family's life on it. Dont put yourself in a situation that has a great potential to be hazardous to your health. If you want to preach in the desert, and not get shot at, go to Utah, or New Mexico, or Australia (well, you might still get shot at, but you get the point).

Jack Harper, Tech49

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Watchtower encouraging members to go and preach in Israel

by wannaexit in

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friends

an odd letter was read at last nights' meeting.

it was in regards to a special campaign for next year arranged by the governing body to go and preach in israel.

the call is going out to anybody that speaks hebrew and english.

Tech49

This letter was read I our KH tonite, in the Pacific Northwest USA. I am appalled at the level of crazy this entails. Now granted, I am sure there are some places and areas in Israel that are relatively safe. But why would you ever consider, given the upheaval happening daily in that region, ask people to travel there, to promote a religious campaign in an area where they are already looked at with high levels of suspicion, at best?

A quick web search will bring up tons of warning against travel to the area, except the Israeli travel site of course, duh... Does WT only read that site? What reasonable person would recommend that young pioneers, including women, be sent to an area already in political, cultural, and religious turmoil? Common sense is gone with these fools in NY!!!

Someone said to me, just today.... "well, they would never send us there if it wasnt safe, right???!!!!" OMG !!! Did you not just hear yourself?? How about using your own brains for a minute!!???

As another poster already said...it sure is easy to sacrifice someone elses life, from the comforts of your NY condo, , especially when you are getting a new penthouse suite built for you, overlooking the lake upstate.

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Reinstatement via Old Cong.

by startingover13 in

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i've applied to be reinstatement in a new city after attending meetings for a bit.

i wrote my letter and they heard my case.

they were very helpful.

Tech49

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The TRUE story of a Pedophile

by Tech49 in

this is a true experience that i thought i would share, one that occurred just a few years ago in my area.

it is a real experience, nothing made up here.. a younger couple moved into our kh, into the joining congregation (so not ours, but the other one that shared our kh).

they seemed nice enough, they had one boy that was about 8, and a baby on the way.

Tech49

TIKI:

Yes, she is on the public registry. I saw the paperwork myself.

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The TRUE story of a Pedophile

by Tech49 in

this is a true experience that i thought i would share, one that occurred just a few years ago in my area.

it is a real experience, nothing made up here.. a younger couple moved into our kh, into the joining congregation (so not ours, but the other one that shared our kh).

they seemed nice enough, they had one boy that was about 8, and a baby on the way.

Tech49

I wanted to emphasize the reason I relate this experience:

This kind of thing DOES happen, its for REAL. We all hear the BIG stories that are sensationalized, with courts involved, lawsuits, etc. But down in the trenches, maybe even in YOUR congregation, there are families dealing with Pedophiles of all shapes and sexes and sizes. Families that end of getting the stuffing beat out of them, mentally, spiritually, emotionally.... for trying to do the RIGHT thing, the thing that comes NATURALLY (or should come naturally), that of PROTECTING themselves and others.

BE STRONG, rat out the pedos, PROTECT THE KIDS and the FAMILIES. Who gives a rats ass what "slanderous talk" may "defame Ghovah's name". No one, including elders, can "punish" you for speaking the truth. Dont give them the power to "inflict consequences". Call BS and fight!

Do the right thing, no matter if you are a publisher, and elder, a servant, a pioneer, or just an onlooker. There is NO excuse to allow that kind of behavior

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The TRUE story of a Pedophile

by Tech49 in

this is a true experience that i thought i would share, one that occurred just a few years ago in my area.

it is a real experience, nothing made up here.. a younger couple moved into our kh, into the joining congregation (so not ours, but the other one that shared our kh).

they seemed nice enough, they had one boy that was about 8, and a baby on the way.

Tech49

This is a true experience that I thought I would share, one that occurred just a few years ago in my area. It is a real experience, nothing made up here.

A younger couple moved into our KH, into the joining congregation (so not ours, but the other one that shared our KH). They seemed nice enough, they had one boy that was about 8, and a baby on the way. Again, seemed nice enough, but a little odd.

Within a few months, several families with young kids started to have a weird "gut feel" that something was just not quite up to par with this couple. One mom, a good friend of ours, started doing a little research, just for herself, including a pretty extensive internet search of the family's names. She herself had been abused as a child, and so could "smell" something in the air, she wasnt sure what, but something was off kilter.

It was discovered, thru public records readily available, that the young LADY of the couple was a convicted and registered SEX OFFENDER. Yes, the young lady. She had been found guilty and served some time for fiddling a young teen (12 or 13yo) boy. Now, the Sister who had done the research had a young boy about the same age as the victim of the pedophile girl. She went BALLISTIC!

Serving as an elder at the time, and being close to them, she came to me with the info, wondering what she should do???? She had hard evidence, including the mugshots and court documents, etc. She laid it all out on the table, I saw it with my own eyes. Pure facts. She had wanted to be 100% sure before she said anything. Now that she was sure, what should she do?

I asked if she had heard anything from her Elders? Did her Book Study Overseer ever mention it? Did ANYONE ever bring it up? Of course you know the answer. NO, it was never brought to the attention of anyone, NONE of the families with young ones knew anything about it.

I advised her to do 3 things: 1. Show her elders what she had found. 2. Take every precaution to protect her own family, and 3. Dont be afraid to tell her friends or others with young kids what you had found. PROTECT THE KIDS!

Of course, now the hornets nest had been poked, and this sister was NOT one to keep quiet. Having been a victim of abuse herself, she wanted to make sure EVERYONE that came into contact with this young "sister" was aware of her recent past. Suddenly, there was quite the uproar. Very quickly, the elders in her congregation made it a point to meet with THEM, the brother and sister who had discovered the info, met with them in their home, and told them in no uncertain terms to keep their mouths shut and not to spread "rumors", or face judicial action.

RUMORS???? They werent RUMORS, but plain hard FACTS! This family fought with the elders and swam upstream as long as they could, but were constantly beat down. They were told that they had to "protect the reputation of the congregation", to "protect Jehovahs name".

At NO POINT did anyone ever make any announcements, on a congregation level, bookstudy level, or even as a body of elders and servants, to the effect of "hey, this is the situation, watch your kids, keep a close eye on this lady, keep your kids at a distance". Nothing. Only repercussions if you continued to "slander" the sister.

The family that had found all the facts was eventually so emotionally beaten up and discouraged, they moved ACROSS THE COUNTRY to start fresh and get away from the idiots in their immediate vacinity.

When I heard all that went down, I asked the other elders on our body what was going on, as this Pedo Lady shared our hall, and everyone knew her, as "she is so nice, and loves to babysit"..... ugggg.

Get this, they had a very vague notion of what was going on, and dismissed any of my concerns because "well, it isnt our business, her elders are aware of the situation and are handling matters....besides, Jehovah sees everything and will make us aware of any problems with the situation...she IS our sister you know..."

Just point blank ridiculous, stupid, and blatantly moronic.

There you go, a real, recent example of the attitudes to be found in the congregations today, by elder bodies and the WTBS, of the treatment of child molestation and pedophilia. This stuff is REAL, and it gets covered up and swept under the rug, every day.

Jack Harper, Tech49

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An important message from a PRACTICING Jehovah's witness

by Sparks in

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friends

hi, i am also a practicing jehovah's witness and very proud of it,to say the very-very least..!

i am a middle-aged man with many decades of being a witness of jehovah god in england.. this important letter is personally to you, just as many of the bible's 88 letters are to be taken personal by you the reader.

i am writing to you to urge you to take stock of your life, think what your future holds for you.

Tech49

Did someone need to get a few more hours in before the end of the month? It is August you know, last month in the JW service year, gotta get your quota in!

edit.... Baltar beat me to it.

edit edit..... So you have been a member of an Apostate Web Site since 2003, and are still posting! Hmmm, seems someone is not being honest!

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Disturbing cover picture November 2014 awake!

by stuckinarut2 in

oh wow..... i have just seen the cover picture for the november awake!.

sorry, i don't know how to post a picture here....(perhaps someone else can assist?).

it is just plain creepy.. the article is called "keys to a happy life".... but the looks on the faces say something different!

Tech49

I know one of the girls.......!!

She was a quiet little pioneer fresh out of High School, went back to Bethel for a visit, met a nice young Bethel drone, and now POP! there she is! All famous and stuff!

By the way, just FYI, her dad is an elder and the epitome of all Pompous Pricks.