With the world wide web, any JW who truly wants to examine their relgion can come to a conclusion it is all BS within a few hours of earnest research. But they have cloaked eyes and read and digest only what they want, which is similar to many ex-JWs on this site who will only search for and read those bits of data which support their preconceived and prejudged viewpoints. And then stop, firmly satisfied about their beliefs. Unless and until JWs want to open their eyes and minds they will remain closed.
Posts by DJS
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26The Watchtower is under siege from inside and outside
by suavojr inthat is the reason the watchtower leaders are desperately trying to protect their indoctrinated supporters from being influenced by the critics.. it will get harder and harder to recruit in countries where the internet is easily accessible...the watchtower has no control over the public like it does the indoctrinated jws.
..any interested person can very easily google and learn the truth about the watchtower cult before a 'return visit' can be made.
although most jws would be afraid to go into 'apostate ' sites, more and more are waking up to the truth about the watchtower , their interest triggered by different reasons such as the child abuse cover up, the constantly changing doctrines,the downsizing etc.
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Corruption in India.
by fulltimestudent inan economist report has reviewed the very far-reaching affect that corruption has in india.
unfortunately, i've reached my free reading limit, so i post this overview by a finance writer for australia's fairfax press.. link: http://www.smh.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/indias-corruption-tragedy-hurts-us-all-20140325-35fyj.html#ixzz2x0dyyyvo.
brisbane timesindia's corruption tragedy hurts us alldate march 25, 2014 - 3:02pm.
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DJS
Anne,
I stil do not understand your point. The Economist is widely viewed as one of, if not the, best sources of economic news/insight/analysis. When I was gettting my MBA, we were directed to read it and make it part of our routine reading as an excellent source of business/economic information. That The Economist is pointing this out doesn't negate it, contaminate it or add suspcion to it.
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Discussion with some elders
by GoUnion inhello everyone just wanted to relate a situation that occurred a few days ago.
so i have quit going to meetings for a few months now based on some issues i have with the explanations of current doctrines.
my wife is none too happy with this but over the last few months we have had some date nights and have tentitively agreed to disagree.
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DJS
Your wife rolled on you, huh? She's a snitch,huh? Not very loyal is she? As OTWO indicates, don't be fooled by the pleasant coffe talk chatter from the elders. The Borg has a dark side and you are about to see it. You will be considered a threat to the entire congregagtion. I would suggest keeping your views to yourself, quiety and quckly fading and find another wife. You don't see or understand how utterly dysfunctional all of this is. You will one day. Good luck.
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Corruption in India.
by fulltimestudent inan economist report has reviewed the very far-reaching affect that corruption has in india.
unfortunately, i've reached my free reading limit, so i post this overview by a finance writer for australia's fairfax press.. link: http://www.smh.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/indias-corruption-tragedy-hurts-us-all-20140325-35fyj.html#ixzz2x0dyyyvo.
brisbane timesindia's corruption tragedy hurts us alldate march 25, 2014 - 3:02pm.
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DJS
AnneB,
Explain. And yes FullTime, my GF says it is worse than the news reports.
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Finally free of JWs!
by Julia Orwell inwe moved house and no active jw knows we live there.
it's in another congregation territory too so when they finally come knocking, they won't know i'm a dirty apostate when i tell them to put me on the do not call list.
problem is, the local discount supermarket across the highway is frequented by jws from my previous previous congregation!.
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Julia,
I am very happy for you. The longer you are out the more you will wonder what you ever saw in the Borg. And likely the happier and more fulfilled you will be. Good luck!!!
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Corruption in India.
by fulltimestudent inan economist report has reviewed the very far-reaching affect that corruption has in india.
unfortunately, i've reached my free reading limit, so i post this overview by a finance writer for australia's fairfax press.. link: http://www.smh.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/indias-corruption-tragedy-hurts-us-all-20140325-35fyj.html#ixzz2x0dyyyvo.
brisbane timesindia's corruption tragedy hurts us alldate march 25, 2014 - 3:02pm.
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DJS
FullTime,
You are spot on. Corruption is a contaminant that will keep India from becoming a great country and fulfilling its potential. I date a woman from India, and it pains her terribly to see and have experienced what the economists describe. It is real
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the bible and its prophecies
by Crazyguy ini have been doing a lot of research on the bible and its roots so to speak and its becoming clearer that the jews like other races took gods and stories from others and made them their own.
its also become clear that many of the books were written later then stated, like daniel probably written about a hundred years before christ and some of it maybe even after.
but what i don't get is the prophecies.
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DJS
The very idea that we get a moral compass from religion is fallacious. Numerous studies show that the more secular - and less religious - a community, state or country is, the more functional it is. In the U.S., the most religious states show a direct correlation with: higher rates of divorce; higher rates of illiciit and prescription drug use; lower rates of educational attainment; higher rates of crime, gun crime and violent crime; and thigher rates of poverty, to name a few. These facts can be easily verified. Now Cold Steel, does it look like us atheists are angry, lost souls?
The same thing holds true internationally. In a landmark 2005 study published in the Journal of Religion & Society Volume 7 (2005) (Cross-National Correlations of Quantifiable Societal Health with Popular Religiosity and Secularism in the Prosperous Democracies) the researcher found that, in "almost all regards the highly secular democracies consistently enjoy low rates of societal dysfunction,demonstrating that widespread religious belief does not improve societal health, and that moreover there is a positive correlation between a first-world country's level of religiosity (e.g., the degree of confidence that a traditional monotheistic God exists) and level of social dysfunction (e.g., homicide rates)."
I can go on all night with this, CS. You are like so many other theists on this site; you spew irrational crap based on your feelings, beliefs, shallow thoughts, limited expereience and one dimensional 'knowledge.' And like my ex-wife and so many of my ex-GFs, you open your mouth (or type) based on those feelings, absent any real evidence or data. I'm embarrassed.
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the bible and its prophecies
by Crazyguy ini have been doing a lot of research on the bible and its roots so to speak and its becoming clearer that the jews like other races took gods and stories from others and made them their own.
its also become clear that many of the books were written later then stated, like daniel probably written about a hundred years before christ and some of it maybe even after.
but what i don't get is the prophecies.
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Cold Steel,
Of all the people who have shown themselves to be completely full of BS, you are the gold standard. Your pompous, ridiculous rant is so far from the facts that it isn't worth responding to. And you clearly haven't read one word from any atheist explaining their journey. It took me decades to leave my belief system; becoming an atheist was a lifelong sojourn. Go away, clown.
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Do any ex JW' s/ God believer's, Agnostics or Atheists believe in Karma? And WHY?
by rip van winkle injust reading a thread and the mention of karma popped up.
( it happens, lol).
a lot of people believe in karma: what goes around comes around.. some months ago, while on another exjw site, karma was mentioned and i thought it a little odd, as they are atheist.
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Kate,
I experienced a lot of harm upon my somewhat crash and burn departure from the Borg, and my children experienced a lot as well. None of it was fair, but since I had been an elder I knew that the dark side of the Borg existed and was capable of evil. So I put it in its appropriate place, and used it as fuel along with the anger I felt to make my life and the lives of my children everything that it could be. There were stumbling blocks along the way but after 20 years all 3 of us are very happy, accomplished and successful. Very.
Your pain, and the injustices you feel because of the dark side of the Borg, hurt all of us. As to the Borg's minions who caused the pain to me and mine?? I haven't given it a lot of thought but I occasionally hear updates about them from other ex-JWs. After 20 years most of them have fared badly to very badly. Their evil wasn't limited to me and mine. Karma. Keep your head up, walk tall and proudly and don't give the nasty little men any more control over your emotions than they deserve.
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Do any ex JW' s/ God believer's, Agnostics or Atheists believe in Karma? And WHY?
by rip van winkle injust reading a thread and the mention of karma popped up.
( it happens, lol).
a lot of people believe in karma: what goes around comes around.. some months ago, while on another exjw site, karma was mentioned and i thought it a little odd, as they are atheist.
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DJS
Combine what Phizzy, SOP, OTWO, Cofty and especially LisaRose (well stated) said. That's what I believe. I use the word karma a lot, but it isn't in reference to majic, an unseen cosmic force or superstition.