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  God is not an element both in religious fanaticism and atheism alike

  by exWTslave in

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  in my intimate conversations with many of my atheists friends i have found that their real problem is the human rights abuse of the religious fanaticssomething which god hates (not the lack of proof for gods existence) (means when the religions went to one extreme, their opponents go to another extremethus god is not at all an element in religious fanaticism and atheism alike) atheists shun, belittle or resist proofs for the existence of god, because they fear it will only further strengthen the religion from which the fanaticism arisethus object of atheists attack is fanaticism (not god) .

  hence what atheists do is really a service to the humanity (while fanaticism is a crime against humanity).

  hence when the atheists ask for proof for the existence of god, one need not take it seriously.

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  kalos,

  I'm trying really hard not to refer to you as a dumbass, but you are making it very difficult. On numerous occasions we have presented voluminous amounts of empirical data which illustrates that the more atheistic and secular a person, region or nation is, the more likely they are to be ethical, intelligent and functional. And yet you continue to spew utter bullshit. Here is one of them. We got lots. Atheists appear to behave better, on average, that theists regardless of which make believe god the yocals believe in.

  Cross-National Correlations of Quantifiable Societal Health with Popular Religiosity and Secularism in the Prosperous Democracies: A First Look (2005) (Off Site PDF) by Gregory S. Paul In this landmark study, Gregory S. Paul compares rates of religiosity and societal dysfunction between 18 democratic nations in the developed world in order to "test whether high rates of belief in and worship of a creator are necessary for high levels of social health." Paul finds that "in almost all regards the highly secular democracies consistently enjoy low rates of societal dysfunction," demonstrating that widespread religious belief does not improve societal health, and that moreover there is a positive correlation between a first-world country's level of religiosity (e.g., the degree of confidence that a traditional monotheistic God exists) and level of social dysfunction (e.g., homicide rates).
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  It is official they're selling off Kingdom Halls in Britain

  by raymond frantz in

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  i posted here a week ago some disturbing news for congregations being consolidated in britain.

  my goodness that was nothing !

  a letter was read today from bethel addressed to all congregations in britain that can only be described as the biggest news for years.the main points:.

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  It seems that the Borg's actions reek of desperation. I hope that isn't my wishful thinking getting in the way. I'm a bit surprised at the pace of these financial dealings, as it suggests, like many of us have been saying, that the Borg is in or nearing dire straits (not the rock group). Here are what appear to be the facts; those of you who understand this topic better than I straighten me out if I'm wrong.

  1. The growth in Western and indu$trial countries is stagnant and will likely start receding. The long term projection that this will reverse itself isn't any better.

  2. Growth in poor countries is a net cash loss. It will cost a lot to serve the newbies and they aren't and likely won't be self supporting for the projected future.

  3. Various government restrictions have cut into cash flow, and this trend is likely to continue. Long term projections would suggest that it won't reverse itself, as governments tire of religion and need their own $ to balance budgets.

  4. As you all have noted, the pedophilie cases will likely run into the hundreds of millions of dollars before they are over.

  5. The Dark Lords are likely expecting an exodus post 2014 similar to the one which occurred post 1975. Those exiting are very unlikely to return, and this time they are more likely to take others along with them via attrition. The rank and file are sheeple, but assuming they have even one functioning brain cell they should start to wake up to the scam.

  6. This may be the most ominous. Much of the above would seem to be addressable by a change in the Borg's teachings and a letting go of the draconian controls. That doesn't seem to be in the near or long-term future. If I'm a strategist that's one of the first things I put on the table.

  7.The wonderful world wide web and all its glory in exposing dumbass cults.
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  God is not an element both in religious fanaticism and atheism alike

  by exWTslave in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in my intimate conversations with many of my atheists friends i have found that their real problem is the human rights abuse of the religious fanaticssomething which god hates (not the lack of proof for gods existence) (means when the religions went to one extreme, their opponents go to another extremethus god is not at all an element in religious fanaticism and atheism alike) atheists shun, belittle or resist proofs for the existence of god, because they fear it will only further strengthen the religion from which the fanaticism arisethus object of atheists attack is fanaticism (not god) .

  hence what atheists do is really a service to the humanity (while fanaticism is a crime against humanity).

  hence when the atheists ask for proof for the existence of god, one need not take it seriously.

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  WTF? I really don't know where to start. I've read and re-read the OP and I'm lost as to wtf it is about. It seems to be yet another attempt by a theist to tell me what I don't believe and why I don't believe it.

  Unless your (imaginary) atheist friends number in the thousands, have been randomly selected and you have developed a robust data gathering tool that has been vetted by a screening committee of experts, I would suggest that your limited anecdotal and experiential dataset is pure bullshit.

  I thought I was an atheist because I'm angry at god (yeah, THAT makes sense). But I suppose now I'm an atheist because religion screwed everything up, so I guess I'm just angry at religion and I'm taking it out on god. WTSlave, I'm an atheist becase I spent decades meditating, thinking, studying, researching and questioning. At the end of that very long sojoun it was clear to me that based on the (lack) of evidence, there was no god. If she changes her mind and provides irrefutable evidence of her existence, I will believe.

  Emotion had nothing to do with my atheism.

  That, based on your very limited access to (imaginary) atheists, you would make definitive statements and assertions rather than posing a question or asking for atheist feedback strongly suggests that you are a delusional narcissist who wants the posters and lurkers on this site to think of you as a wise sage. Oh, and you love the sound of your own voice.

  Next time ask a question. Handling it in the manner you did reveals your true intention.
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  Christian Pastors ORDERED to Marry Gays or Face JAIL TIME & FINES $$$

  by oneyeopen in

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  o.k just worked out how to start a new post/thread, just came across this and wanted to share with anyone that may be interested.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/.

  coeur dalene, idaho, city officials have laid down the law to christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines.. read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/#ixzz3ibe4kyvq follow us: @washtimes on twitter.

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  Practice your bible beliefs in the sanctity of your domicile and your religious institution of choice. When you bring your bible beliefs out into the real, secular world, the US Constitution, and specifically how it is interpreted by the SCOTUS, both suports those beliefs and trumps them when they are deemed to be in disagreement with the Constitution. Deal with it. Or re-locate. You could try to join the White Supremists, the End-of-Timers, Preppers, Preparers and the other getting ready for the big-A groups in the hills of Idaho, but you would still be under the legal restrictions of the US Constitution. When you own a business serving the public and you withhold services based on discrimination as indicated by the Constitution and SCOTUS, you are breaking the law. That's what this OP missed, but that's what it is about.

  Haven't you all been paying attention for the past, I don't know, freaking forever? If you would get your collective heads out of the bible and your collective asses long enough to observe the real world, this wouldn't seem so scawwy. Or I suggest a new strategy R2: lose the hate.

  BTW, I felt exactly the same way bout this topic decades ago when I was in the Borg.
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  Christian Pastors ORDERED to Marry Gays or Face JAIL TIME & FINES $$$

  by oneyeopen in

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  o.k just worked out how to start a new post/thread, just came across this and wanted to share with anyone that may be interested.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/.

  coeur dalene, idaho, city officials have laid down the law to christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines.. read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/#ixzz3ibe4kyvq follow us: @washtimes on twitter.

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  Let's go s-l-o-w-e-r.

  The Washington Times is a right wing rag founded by the Rev. Moon. The article was not vetted and its intention was to stir the right wing Xtian fundies. Idaho has no intention and no legal rights to force religions to do anything at this point. The Hitching Post is a commercial business. The Rev trying to skirt the law and file for religious protection the day before the law went into effect is a scam. Look at their website. It is a business. The Rev may ultimately succeed in becoming a religion. God knows we have a lot of dumb ass religions based on pretty much nothing, so the Rev's chances are good. The IRS will likely begin targeting him, but that's another story.

  The Constitution, according to the US Supreme Court, does not give commercial businesses the freedom to discriminate, and few if any courts have ever found that a business selling commercial services to the general public has a First Amendment right to turn away customers on a discriminatory basis. This isn't complicated.
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  Christian Pastors ORDERED to Marry Gays or Face JAIL TIME & FINES $$$

  by oneyeopen in

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  o.k just worked out how to start a new post/thread, just came across this and wanted to share with anyone that may be interested.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/.

  coeur dalene, idaho, city officials have laid down the law to christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines.. read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/#ixzz3ibe4kyvq follow us: @washtimes on twitter.

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  If you think some of us are hostile, try this, haters: Go in a public forum and say some of the dumbass things you haters have said about the new CEO of Apple. Go ahead. Make my day. If you think we are raining down ridicule on your sorry dumb asses, you haven't seen anything yet.

  It is past time to move beyond old scrolls and the hatred they have incited and the damage they have caused. Look inside of your hearts haters. Find out why you want to hang on to the darkness.
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  Christian Pastors ORDERED to Marry Gays or Face JAIL TIME & FINES $$$

  by oneyeopen in

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  o.k just worked out how to start a new post/thread, just came across this and wanted to share with anyone that may be interested.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/.

  coeur dalene, idaho, city officials have laid down the law to christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines.. read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/#ixzz3ibe4kyvq follow us: @washtimes on twitter.

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  Alpha,

  I agreed with you stance, as I believe it is constitutionally supported. I told you so yesterday. I'm one of the happiest most well adjusted - and blessed - people on the planet. I'm intolerant of haters and hate speech because of the damage it has done. The time for kind words has passed. If that comes across as angry, mission accomplished.
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  Christian Pastors ORDERED to Marry Gays or Face JAIL TIME & FINES $$$

  by oneyeopen in

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  o.k just worked out how to start a new post/thread, just came across this and wanted to share with anyone that may be interested.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/.

  coeur dalene, idaho, city officials have laid down the law to christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines.. read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/#ixzz3ibe4kyvq follow us: @washtimes on twitter.

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  piz,

  I use the term dumbasses in the most loving manner possible. I have tried to avoid its use, but the dumbasses amongst us keep showing their dumbassedness to such a degree that I can't. I will keep trying.

  Thanks for your input. But hate speech is hate speech. Religious people can frame it in old texts and books all they wish, but it is stiil hate. It serves no purpose other than to judge others and incite hatred towards them. Gays and lesbians, like it or not, have the legal right to marry in 32 states in the US and in many other countries. As they should. They are hurting no one. And what consenting adults do in private should be of no concern to anyone, and why anyone would give it any thought or energy is beyond rational thought.

  The West and industrial nations are rapidly moving away from judging these things. Some theists are so tied up with old texts and books and what they think fairy tale gods believe that they can't think rationally about the topic. If my strong, direct language is offensive, so be it. But my language isn't one millionth as offensive as the hatred - and the damage it has caused - towards gays and lesbians created by old scrolls and belief in make believe fairy tale gods. Gays and lesbians have been discriminated against, many have committed suicide, gone into depression, etc. because of such hate. Some have been murdered, raped and otherwise assaulted simply because of their sexual persuasion and nothing more.

  If speaking out in the strongest terms possible in order to mitigate that makes me, in your eyes, a dumbass, then I wear the title proudly. A dumbass I may be in your eyes, but there isn't one thing, not one, that i have stated about this topic that isn't 100 percent accurate.

  I will continue to use strong direct language because the time for dumbasses to have opened their eyes, hearts and minds to acceptance is overdue. If they wish to continue hating, fine. But KEEP IT TO THEMSELVES. Bringing it out in the open will lead to the strongest condemnation and ridicule. Deservedly so.

  I will stop using the term dumbass when the feeler/perceiver/believers amongst us remain silent or change their hearts.
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  I was a poll worker

  by Hortensia in

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  i worked the election yesterday, here in california, poll worker, from 6 a.m. to 10:30 p.m. it was fun and interesting, went pretty smoothly, nice day.

  it was very depressing to come home, look at the news, and find that the republicans now control the senate.. .

  do you think canada would take me?

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  Niveau,

  Ditto. I have the same data. Refusing to support minimum wage hikes or living wage laws is a tactic to keep people down and keep the rich getting richer. The argument has never been supported by the data. Note this article from July.

  Job growth picks up in states that raised the minimum wage. Published July 19, 2014 Associated Press

  WASHINGTON – Maybe a higher minimum wage isn't so bad for job growth after all.

  The 13 U.S. states that raised their minimum wages at the beginning of this year are adding jobs at a faster pace than those that did not, providing some counter-intuitive fuel to the debate over what impact a higher minimum has on hiring trends.

  Many business groups argue that raising the minimum wage discourages job growth by increasing the cost of hiring. A Congressional Budget Office report earlier this year lent some support for that view. It found that a minimum wage of $10.10 an hour, as President Obama supports, could cost 500,000 jobs nationwide.

  But the state-by-state hiring data, released Friday by the Labor Department, provides ammunition to those who disagree. Economists who support a higher minimum say the figures are encouraging, though they acknowledge they don't establish a cause and effect. There are many possible reasons hiring might accelerate in a particular state.

  "It raises serious questions about the claims that a raise in the minimum wage is a jobs disaster," said John Schmitt, a senior economist at the liberal Center for Economic and Policy Research. The job data "isn't definitive," he added, but is "probably a reasonable first cut at what's going on."
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  Christian Pastors ORDERED to Marry Gays or Face JAIL TIME & FINES $$$

  by oneyeopen in

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  o.k just worked out how to start a new post/thread, just came across this and wanted to share with anyone that may be interested.. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/.

  coeur dalene, idaho, city officials have laid down the law to christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines.. read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/#ixzz3ibe4kyvq follow us: @washtimes on twitter.

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  I'm likely one of the most social/cultural people on this forum, and I have yet to be approached by the gay agenda and have yet to have any gay person force anything on me. Those of you who continue to spew such nonsense are rapidly becoming the minority in the US and the entire industrialized world. One day in the future your whiney hateful voices will be nothing but annoying background noise, similar to the occasional mosquito. Until you squash the bastard.

  As we have mentioned each time one of you dumbasses uses words like gay agenda and gays forcing themselves on society, we say the same things. Every social movement always has its tip of the spear activists. The suffrage movement, the labor movement, the environmental movement, the black movement, etc. Those who are out front with their agenda are the small minority, but they are needed for any movement to succeed. And every one of those movements succeeded in moving the US towards acceptance.

  Why do you dumbasses continue to stupidly whine about this? Get used to gay and lesbian images. I haven't heard your whines about hetero images.

  1900 "I'm sick and tired of the women's suffrage movement and their agenda being forced down my throat."

  1910 "I'm sick and tired of the labor movement and their agenda being forced down my throat."

  1964 "I'm sick and tired of the black movement and their agenda being forced down my throat."

  1971 "I'm sick and tired of the environmental movement and their agenda being forced down my throat."

  2014 "I'm sick and tired of the gay movement and their agenda being forced down my throat.

  Hey dumbasses, guess what?? Those of us who care about humanity, equality and justice are sick and tired of you conservative, right wing, hysterical reactionary theists and your agenda being shoved down our throats. And when your viewpoint goes away, and it will, the planet will be a much better place.

  This "Reverend" is a scam artist in addition to being a bigot. He was running a for profit business. The Washington Times is a rag with one 'agenda' (dumbasses): to stir up the undereducated religious reactionary dumbasses to movement. They succeeded. ANY decent journalistic effort would have realized that there wasn't a story here, or at least properly vetted the story.