i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.
im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?
the the bible is word?
jhine,
Too much Starbucks in the morning. But really, is it even possible to have too much Starbucks?
And it isn't really my fault (classic blame shifting to follow). I exercised 'loving kindness' and virtuous Patience (the virtue, NOT the stripper at the Platinum Club. Although Patience (the stripper not the virtue) definitely has a few virtuous ass-spects).
I didn't respond until two months after this OP started and not until post 231. I'm improving.
i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.
im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?
the the bible is word?
Coded,
Well done. I've avoided this OP because I can't respond in a respectful manner. You summed up most of what I would say if I was being fettered. I would have added to take back control of your conscience, your freedom of choice in what you read, watch, consider, whether you go to college or allow your children to go to college, whether you go to proms or school functions or whether you allow your children to participate in them, whether you play sports or allow your children to play sports, whether you vote, what you or your children wear or how you each cut your hair, whether you celebrate birthdays or other holidays, whether you build a house or start a business or go on a vacation or any of the other life choices that are YOUR business and NONE of the business of the Dark Lords or their henchmen elders.
This is also meant for the delusional, I mean disillusioned lady thinking about getting reinstated after 26 years.
I would rather be shot in the head with a rusty nail gun than spend one more minute inside that death dealing, ambition killing, dysfunction attracting, dysfunction breeding, hate filled, personal conscience and individual choice robbing cult that eats its own at perhaps the highest rate in history.
And if their god is such a small minded, hysterical, insecure, jealous, un-trusting, homicidal, vengeful POS, she can go fukk herself as well.
See, I told you I couldn't be respectful.
i was at a wedding the summer before i left the jws and i met an old friend.
he had been reinstated for 6 months, he was dfed for 4 years.
so it took him 3 1/2 years before they would let him back in.
Sowhatnow,
Some of that is human nature; all of that is Dark Lord nature. But you make a salient point. It reminds me of an old joke about an Irishman and a goat . . . .
i was at a wedding the summer before i left the jws and i met an old friend.
he had been reinstated for 6 months, he was dfed for 4 years.
so it took him 3 1/2 years before they would let him back in.
New boy,
Not surprising. We all know how this cult works. No cult eats its own quite like the Dark Tower, and all of the behaviors he describes are either directly or indirectly taught and reinforced by the Evil Dark Lords.
Makes me wonder why whatshername in another OP is considering re-joining this hate filled cult.
hey ya'll!
i have been lurking for years on this site and others but never had the courage to post anything.
actually i was afraid of posting on an apostate site in the event i was wrong.
JB,
I know a lot of docs; few if any of them will get involved in such a situation between married parents fighting over a child's medical directives. What you have suggested is determined by lawyers who fight back and forth as to who gets to be the primary parent and/or in charge of medical decisions, typically during divorces. Based on what I've read, Mr. WILL fight it. An end run is bad form, and it is likely that the medical profession will ignore such an end run until the lawyers fight it out.
That's why I stated that, if this is her decision, an attorney specializing in these matters should be her first stop.
Making ultimatums almost always backfires (google it). That's why you have suggested. Is it really worth fighting over a few meetings to make a quid pro quo/ultimatum? If their daughter hates the meetings as much as she says, this will take care of itself. Given her age, that too will take care of this situation in a short period of time. Making it a reason to fight, in this instance and IMHO, is ill advised. Using up that much political capital in this matter is not wise, IMHO.
There are bigger issues to fight over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzqaeusdmtk.
http://jdc.jefferson.edu/jmbcimfp/5/.
abstract.
Good luck David Jay,
I don't see the transaction in the way you do. We presented evidence and/or rational argument. You disagreed with it but failed to provide counter evidence other than your feelings and beliefs. You emotionally twisted what was said, ignoring very important points such as 'correlation.' You responded with an arrogance rarely seen on this site by telling all of us how damned smart and educated you are, making it even more annoying by telling us that in and of itself makes you better.
THAT was the first insult in this OP as far as I can see. Learn to refute evidence, provide counter evidence or remain quiet. Posturing as the smartest fukking person to ever be on this site, when you only recently joined it, will get you exactly what you deserved.
The bottom line as I see it is you came into a site where you thought your amazingness and awesomeness would rule the day. It didn't quite work out like that now, did it? Stop playing the victim. Princess.
Several if us held out olive branches to you, but playing the drama queen is all you seem intersted in doing.
Stick around. It will mean you will have to put your big boy panties on, but it's clear that's what you need.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzqaeusdmtk.
http://jdc.jefferson.edu/jmbcimfp/5/.
abstract.
Stick around David Jay,
This site is a very good viaduct to improve EQ. The back and forth, the debates, the insults - all of it - will, over time, strengthen your abilities to control your thoughts and emotions and focus them more clearly into rational thought and expression. We need all of the educated smart people we can get.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzqaeusdmtk.
http://jdc.jefferson.edu/jmbcimfp/5/.
abstract.
Sowhatnow,
Yes. I think we are saying the same thing. Thanks for putting it into better words Oh Queenly One.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzqaeusdmtk.
http://jdc.jefferson.edu/jmbcimfp/5/.
abstract.
David Ray, "I believe in God. If believing in God makes you dumb then wouldn't it follow that all atheists here have even higher scores, better sheepskins, and far more successful careers and much higher salaries than me? Where did you go to college, atheist or theist? What degrees do you have? Which IQ text did you take and what was your score? What do your answers say not only in regard to the original question but to the various answers here given? I think that would be a better gauge than anything else."
My, my, Princess. Such a fit pitch. Apparently Rice, FSU and Columbia didn't require you to take any Research or Statistics classes, nor complete a thesis - or you weren't paying attention during these typically semester long classes. If you were you would know that a population of ONE (you) is NOT a statistically valid sample. If you were paying attention on this site (I'm sensing a theme here), you would note that these studies were qualified as showing correlations over large populations and, in most cases, looked at data over multiple years and multiple countries.
There are many such studies, and they have been conducted by researchers and scientists with PhDs and extensive experience in these fields.
hey ya'll!
i have been lurking for years on this site and others but never had the courage to post anything.
actually i was afraid of posting on an apostate site in the event i was wrong.
JB,
Medical decisions regarding children, especially the blood issue, are often made by the state when the child is a minor in life/death situations. And both parents have equal say in those decisions otherwise; tying to end run around her husband by going to the doctors about this for your daughter will result in a lot of carnage and will end with lawyers and lawsuits. If she is thinking about this strategy, the first visit should be to a lawyer.
Her husband remaining an elder may be important. Or not. She has indicated that he seems to love the Dark Lords more than her. If he does he isn't going to be interested in 'running interference' for her. Forcing his hand or using the daughter as leverage in a manipulative maneuver in a quid pro quo move is rife with problems and makes it even less likely he is going to feel all warm and fuzzy about protecting her from the BOE.
If I was him and she did that to me, I would view it as a shot across my bow. An act of war. I would immediately take all necessary precautionary moves to counter her. It is likely a very, very bad strategy.
