Posts by DJS

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I found a list my Wife is makingof subjects i have told her about the BORG.

by goingthruthemotions in

so me and my wife have not been on speaking terms for about 5 weeks, and when we do .

talk…it is arguing about the jw cult and more of a barrage from me telling here all the stuff i have learned.

i know i shouldn't do this....but, i get so freaking p.o ed aobut what this cult has done to my family.

DJS

Some great advice. I'm with faded and hoser on this. She's developing a hit list and leverage.

Be as innocent as a dove and as cautious as a serpent. Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst.

And see a lawyer that specializes in divorce tomorrow.

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"Peaceful Coexistence: Reconciling Nondiscrimination Principles With Civil Liberties

by JHK in

in the tug of war between religious freedom and nondiscrimination rights, the weight seems to be pulling toward the latter.. at least that's the view of 17 religious leaders — including lds church presiding bishop gérald caussé — who addressed their concerns with the u.s. commission on civil rights' recent report in an oct. 7 letter to president barack obama, house speaker paul ryan and utah sen. orrin hatch.. the report, titled "peaceful coexistence: reconciling nondiscrimination principles with civil liberties," comes down squarely on the side of civil liberties for individuals, the letter says, and "stigmatizes tens of millions of religious americans, their communities, and their faith-based institutions, and threatens the religious freedom of all our citizens.

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http://www.sltrib.com/home/4461526-155/mormon-church-others-urge-obama-to.

DJS

If the shoe fits . . . .

The rebuttal statement by Castro is gold - one of the best summaries of the issue I've read. Pity those poor, poor put upon, discriminated against, x-tians.

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Attending a same-sex wedding

by Samantharockeby33 in

my cousin, whom is not jw, but we have grown up together our whole lives has just gotten engaged to her same sex partner, i am very conflicted on wether i can/should attend the wedding or not.

i am very close with my cousin and her partner and they are very understanding to our beliefs and differences as she grew up with our whole family being jw.

some family members have already said they will definitely be attending and some definitely not attending so i just want some extra advice and guidance!

DJS

Sam,

If you are asking whether the JWs have ever taught that attending a same sex wedding would be acceptable, or even a conscience matter that would not result in official actions being taken against you, the answer to that is most likely no. Others are much better versed on the JW teaching archives than I, but I doubt that you will find anything.

This is yet another example of how the WT leaders make laws and rules for conscience matters. I'm sure you struggle with this, at 19. It is the reason many of us left the cult, including me.

Good luck.

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Attending a same-sex wedding

by Samantharockeby33 in

my cousin, whom is not jw, but we have grown up together our whole lives has just gotten engaged to her same sex partner, i am very conflicted on wether i can/should attend the wedding or not.

i am very close with my cousin and her partner and they are very understanding to our beliefs and differences as she grew up with our whole family being jw.

some family members have already said they will definitely be attending and some definitely not attending so i just want some extra advice and guidance!

DJS

All the barriers you've already crossed just to ask this question on a public forum strongly suggests you want to go.

And that you will regret not going.

Go. By all means, GO. You will like yourself a lot better if you do.

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If a JW Came To Your Door How Would You Handle It?

by minimus in

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friends

jehovah's witnesses have never come to my door but they have come to my girlfriends door.

i have coached her as to what to say or ask but it appears that they always seem to come when she's not there.

.....just curious would you get into it with a jehovah's witness at your door especially if it was someone you did not know?.

DJS

To each his own. As I've stated previously, in the over two decades I've been out of the DarkTower the dubs have rarely shown up at my door. If they are coming around when I'm not home they aren't leaving 'back issues' or anything else. I can count on one hand the times I've seen them, and my house is close to the local KH and in a perfect area for FS with nice houses, nice roads and plenty of break options. I would think it is the type of territory that gets worked frequently.

I've encountered them a couple of times while I was working in the lawn or my garage. I'm always kind and respectful. I never shoot the messenger or the foot soldier, and I don't question them or be anything other than nice. Apparently the only place I'm an ass is on this site.

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25% of US JW's born outside US

by darkspilver in

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friends

hey look!!

new topic due to new topic direction - immigration rather than economic - of course they might be related.... you often hear that in the us the jw growth is in the foreign language congregations.

which is interesting because..... 25% of jw's are first generation immigrants (ie born abroad).

DJS

sir82,

The data seem to confirm your comments. The following information is based on the same Pew Research Center report from 2015, and it shows that immigrants are as likely to be secular or atheist as those in this country, are selecting non-xtian religions at a higher rate, and overall xtianity is decreasing as a choice for immigrants since 2000. The final 'telling' stat from the report is that 15% of the respondents were first gen immigrants; assuming that is representative of the US, the % of J-dubs who are 1st gen immigrants is considerably above the norm, as are those who are choosing x-tianity.

Without 1st gen immigrants the DarkTower would be in serious US decline it seems. But we already knew that.

MAY 19, 201 GROWING SHARE OF U.S. IMMIGRANTS HAVE NO RELIGIOUS AFFILIATION

BY CARYLE MURPHY

"Immigrants to the U.S. are increasingly identifying themselves as religiously unaffiliated, that is, atheist, agnostic or having “no religion in particular,” according to a new Pew Research Center study of America’s religious composition. Indeed, recent immigrants (those who have arrived since 2000) are as likely to have no religious affiliation as the country’s overall adult population.

Our 2014 Religious Landscape Study, a follow-up to the center’s first Religious Landscape Study in 2007, found that one-in-five immigrants said they did not belong to any religion – an increase of 4 percentage points since 2007, when 16% said they did not associate with any faith tradition.

The new survey also found that the share of Christian immigrants has slipped somewhat in the same period, moving from 75% to 68%. That too is in line with trends in the general population, where the share that is Christian has declined.

There also has been growth in the percentage of immigrants who are adherents of non-Christian faiths, rising from 8% to 12% in the past seven years, the new study found. Some groups have seen significant increases. For instance, Muslims now account for 4% of foreign-born residents in this country, up from 2% in 2007.

Roughly one-in-seven (15%) of the more than 35,000 participants in the new survey were born outside the U.S."

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CO visit... Circuit is not growing at all, he said during midweek meeting

by StarTrekAngel in

so that was a "shocker".

i was not able to attend the meeting.

i had a more important one with my other apostate friends in the area.

DJS

Great news. As expected. Very soon the only remaining dubs will be the hard core and those reaching out.

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Hello - New Member

by NotAnointed in

jw
friends

i just wanted to intoroduce myself.

i have been lurking for some time and finally decided to register and hopefully contribute to this great forum.. i am in my mid 30s and have never been in the truth.

my wife became a jw several years ago and since she is a (mostly) stay at home mom my two boys are also jws.

DJS

Welcome noob!!! And please, we don't 'convert' to atheism and we don't become atheists because of our experience with the DarkTower as if it were an emotional response to being jilted by the goddess.

It's about the evidence, or lack thereof, for a creator. How many times do we have to keep saying this? Stop projecting. Please. Big smiley.

But welcome! Hopefully soon you can bring along wifey, and that would be most excellent.

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

DJS

Viv,

Nine months ago Looter pretended to be 17. Now he's almost 21.

At this rate of aging 3 years every 4 months he will be 30 in one year and an old man in approximately 4 years.

Oh, wait . . .

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What is the purpose of life?

by slimboyfat in

while reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.

because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".

i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.

DJS

Orphan Crow,

That was profound. Well stated.

Thank you.