Posts by DJS

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What Percentage Of The Governing Body Are Pedofiles?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

the reason i ask this is because we heard reports that greenlees was kicked out of bethel because he was one and then we heard reports that another one, jaracz i believe was one all though it sounds kind of iffy to me.. 2 out of i don't how many total gb seems kind of high so i'm thinking that perhaps the percentage is quite higher as this would explain to a degree why the gb have written in clauses to keep the organization from reporting them to authorities.. it is true that part of the reason they remain silent to authorities is because of the reproach it brings to their precious corporation but i think that is only a small part of the reason and perhaps there might be a bigger reason maybe quite a few have been over powered by their darker side and have engaged in this behavior but because of denial and delusion they will not confess and willingly encourage cover ups.. just speculation i know but i'm starting to think that there is a very dark side to all of these guys hidden by their persona(jungian) that is making them stoop so low as to implement these very bad policies..

DJS

A reckless and irresponsible OP.

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Newly out, am I shunning them before they shun me?

by schnell in

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i have indeed made the truth my own, and i am never going back to jehovah's witnesses.

the fact now is that talking about this religion with someone who believes it makes me sort of angry.

it raises my blood pressure.

DJS

schnell,

Our hearts are with you, as most if not all of us have been in your shoes. The consistent advice I would give you or anyone else in your situation is to make the cleanest, quickest, safest and quietest break possible from this vile, evil cult.

You only have so much physical, psychological and emotional energy, as do we all. They will be much better utilized moving away from this ambition robbing, conscience stealing, family destroying cult as quickly as you can.

Focus your anger toward positive endeavors. I know it is easier said that done, but it is possible. All of the anger, frustration, emotions, etc. that you spend on the cult, its teachings, practices or adherents will essentially be a gigantic waste of time.

The 'rewards' of any potential gains in trying to speak to dubs or change ANYTHING about your circumstances are miniscule when compared to the 'risks' to your own emotional and psychological well being. Plus you are wasting valuable time that will be much better spent charting a new course of happiness and prosperity for you and yours.

Breaking up is hard to do. Good luck.

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i really hate all these "what if" posts

by nowwhat? in

all these hypothetical questions about the organization's demise or what if god did this or that don't do anyone any good.

personal experiences.

info and insight about your congregation, circuit, area and the watchtower itself is what we need.

DJS

Ditto Sparrow. I think we all know the 'whys' and 'what ifs' are part of the healing process for some. As for me, the only whys and what ifs I asked myself were how could I be so blind, stupid, and gullible. It never occurred to me to play what if and why with either the DarkLords or the DarkTower. Geesh, there are many more vile, evil, effed up cults than they.

And like Scarlet, after I figured out why, I said never again. But I didn't waste precious time lamenting the time I wasted with this nasty, brain killing, ambition robbing, conscience stealing, death dealing cult.

Those who get stuck in the 'whys' and 'what if's' need a jolt back to reality, self reflection and, as Jean Luc used to say, Engage No. 1. Warp Factor 4. Whatnow?'s OP is that jolt.

Now if we can get the molly coddlers, enablers, blame shifters, excuse makers, infantalizers and victim makers . . . .

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i really hate all these "what if" posts

by nowwhat? in

all these hypothetical questions about the organization's demise or what if god did this or that don't do anyone any good.

personal experiences.

info and insight about your congregation, circuit, area and the watchtower itself is what we need.

DJS

Yes, most of us do ignore them, and as far as I know this is the first OP on this topic.

Whatnow? saw an opportunity to assist, whether he knew he was doing so or not. His post will likely accomplish 1000 times more than all of the enablers, molly coddlers, blame shifters and victim marinaders will ever accomplish in helping newbies and those not so newbie.

I believe the vast, vast majority treat noobs with kindness, understanding and patience. But too often too many infantalize posters. Not everyone telling you sweet things is your friend, and not everyone telling you things that hurt your feelings is your enemy. Sometimes it's exactly opposite.

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i really hate all these "what if" posts

by nowwhat? in

all these hypothetical questions about the organization's demise or what if god did this or that don't do anyone any good.

personal experiences.

info and insight about your congregation, circuit, area and the watchtower itself is what we need.

DJS

Nowwhat? is correct.

But so are Viv, schnell, doc, scratchme, blondie and just about everyone else. This site advertises support for those exiting the cult. Sometimes that support should, no must, come in the form of a wake up call. That is what Nowwhat? has done.

Someone who routinely posts 'what if' OPs is suggestive of an emotionally stunted or immature person. We of course know that. All of us. It was 'normal' for us to play what if when we were children. Adulthood and being able to successfully assimilate in the world around us requires a good grasp on reality.

Constantly posting what ifs also strongly suggests our dear former brothers and sisters are stuck in neutral and are not advancing beyond the post-dub malaise that can affect just about all of us.

It is part of our responsibility, IMHO, to point these things out - as Nowwhat? has done- so that those stuck in neutral and in need of self reflection and yes, more emotional intelligence can move forward.

Nowwhat? has done these a service, and I thank him. He also did it in a kind, gentle manner - unlike that other poster (I won't tell you his name but his initials are DJS) who has been known to bitch slap people into reality.

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Give my Cubbies some love!

by JRK in

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how many of you think the cubs deserve a world series championship for the first time in 108 years!?.

jk.

DJS

Can I give them some hits and runs instead?

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i really hate all these "what if" posts

by nowwhat? in

all these hypothetical questions about the organization's demise or what if god did this or that don't do anyone any good.

personal experiences.

info and insight about your congregation, circuit, area and the watchtower itself is what we need.

DJS

Ditto.

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New Video - Old News - Shooting of JW during machete attack at New Orleans airport was justified

by darkspilver in

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a newly released video shows shocking footage of a new orleans man charging at tsa officials with a machete.. the video, taken march 20, 2015, shows a man later identified as richard white running through a new orleans airport terminal waving the large knife while spraying wasp spray at various people.. jefferson parish sheriff’s lt. heather sylve ultimately shot him in the thigh and he died of his injuries after refusing medical treatment, reportedly because it went against his beliefs as a jehovah’s witness.. http://www.theadvocate.com/new_orleans/news/crime_police/article_8d680284-9bb4-11e6-9cf1-cb15d005609c.html.

previously discussed here:.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/184150001/richard-white-machette-attacker-new-orleans-airport-jw-dies-another-medicine-denier.

DJS

Subtitled as:

Culling the DNA herd.

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RUSSIA: Many meetings raided and evidence planted

by ZAPPA-ESQUE in

raids on jehovah's witness premises now take place more than three times per month.

these raids on doctrinally pacifist* religious communities often involve many heavily armed and camouflaged officials, with the "discovery" of apparently planted banned "extremist" literature.

legal dissolution of communities can follow.. http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=2228.

DJS

The following practices/teachings have been or still are part of various religions around the world:

Child sacrifice. Human sacrifice. Stoning adulterers. Burning witches. Public stockades to punish heresy. Forced female genital mutilation. Forced subjugation of 50% of the population (females) that includes: not being able to vote, drive, own property, go to secondary school or even get an education. own a business, etc.. Forced marriage/sex between men and under-age girls (yes I'm talking about you Mohammed. You too Warren Jeffs). Forced sexual relations between men and underage boys (I'm talking about you Afghan warlord. And a large portion of Islam). Banning certain types of food with punishment if the rule is violated. Honor killings. Gang raping a 16 year old girl, guilty of nothing, because her 20 year old brother offended Mohammed.

Forced segregation of races, including not serving people of a different race when they come to a commercial, for profit, government supported entity.Forbidding whites and blacks to marry and using the bible or other religious book as the reason. Forbidding gays to marry and refusing to serve those in the LGBT community because of religious reasons.

And yet the world - or at least the civilized world - has enacted and enforced laws against all of the above. Except for Islam of course. But there is hope, even for them. I read recently that Pakistan kinda sorta maybe thought it could be a really good idea of people quit killing their significant others or relatives (isn't it strange how all of those killed are females and all of those killing are males?) and that honor killings should maybe end and that there just might need to be a law and enforcement of that law.

Everyone of these practices were or still are claimed by the religious/religion as being part of their special rights as humans to worship their god or gods in whatever manner they desire.

Is there anyone on this site that will support ANY of the above practices or teachings that includes NOT having a law against them? Anyone? Any of you Libertarians? Ms. Rand? Paul Rand? Rand Paul? Ron Rand? Rand Ron? Rand Rand?

So there is no such thing as universal human freedom. All freedom has limits. Governments set those limits; somtimes they get it right the first time out of the gate. Sometimes they dont. And sometimes they wait too long due to religious pressure. We evolve and learn and grow as a species, but the planet is a more accepting, tolerant place than it has ever been. Good laws and enforcement of those laws is one of the key components. The religious people in Russia still have a right to believe whatever they want to believe; they just can't practice SOME things or teach SOME things that the Russian law precludes

How about you Jesus lovin' theists?? Is there ANYTHING in the above list that you think you should have the right to practice above the law of the land?

Your Ayn Rand speciousness comes across just like every Libertarian presidential candidate ever and ever to come. Naive. Uneducated. Simple. Immature. Bum Fuck Kentuck might elect you, but once the nation sees how childish your views you will get your collective asses kicked. But I do see where Gary Johnson has about 7% of the vote (can you believe this guy? I mean really, he was the governor of a state? Really? I mean fucking really?).

So if you draw the line at the above, let's all just have a communal moment where we agree that religious beliefs and practices have limits and it has and will be appropriate for government entities to place legal limits on those beliefs and practices. And thank god the SCOTUS has quieted the gay haters; otherwise, some of the above would start a new war. You lost, bigots, haters, wannabes. Stay quiet. Stay. Good puppy.

You see class, governments would love for all of us to have a Rodney King mentality where we all just get along. Or a John Lennon imagination. It's the same with your HR dept. But since we cannot seem, as a species to get along, laws are necessary. A government may not be able to change your heart, but they can damned well change your behavior. History has shown when governments rule in a just and fair manner by enacting and enforcing much needed laws to protect us FROM religion, that society sooner rather than later catches up to those laws with their attitudes and behaviors.

As I've pointed out before (and really, class, you heard it here fist - you are welcome), the Russian anti extremist law is pure gold, as it is the ONLY legislation enacted after the events of Sep. 11, 2001 that seeks to address the problem of religious extremism at its root cause. Hundreds of governments enacted post 9/11 laws designed to give governments more tactical powers to combat extremism. Russian laws were the only ones that addressed this issue from a strategic view.

Vlad and his Impalers determined that the root cause of religious extremism is based on god is with me and not thee and furthermore god told me to kill thee or convert thee. And they are right.

The law is brilliant, and the courts have been fair minded and patient. The draconian KGBish behavior of Vlad's goons, although not surprising, is sad but in the final analysis has nothing to do with the law. They are separate issues.

Russia is full of Muslims, Xtains and others who remain free to practice their religions; they just can't preach jihad, fatwas have to fall under the laws regulations, they can't preach that god is going to destroy thee but not me, they can't restrict such things as proper medical care/blood transfusion, and they can't destroy families.

And Saername, the shunning issue was one of the issues brought against the DarkLords in one of the recent, compelling case against it.

Just say thank you DJS.

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RUSSIA: Many meetings raided and evidence planted

by ZAPPA-ESQUE in

raids on jehovah's witness premises now take place more than three times per month.

these raids on doctrinally pacifist* religious communities often involve many heavily armed and camouflaged officials, with the "discovery" of apparently planted banned "extremist" literature.

legal dissolution of communities can follow.. http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=2228.

DJS

We have the same conversations about this topic each time it is posed. The law is now 14 years old. The dubs continue to be free to practice their stupid religion. The courts have been patient with them, overturning several judgments against them and ruling in their favor on numerous occasions. Russia's democracy isn't perfect; name one that is.

Singing "Imagine" and group hugging while being shocked and aghast that Vlad and his Impalers are being . .. all Vladish and Impalish is about the most childish thing that can be posted on this OP. I prefer reality. Russia being Russian and Vlad being Vlad-ian is not new nor news.

But I'm certain that someone will top it. It's early in the OP and there are a lot of hysterical reactionaries here.

The laws are getting more strict, and the courts are losing patience. All the dubs have to do to comply with the laws, which IMHO are very good laws, is to remove all references to the superiority of their religion over all others in their literature and teachings, such as Armageddon where all other religions and governments are destroyed, and practices and teachings such as prohibiting blood transfusions, shunning members and destroying families, to name a few that the Russian law finds objectionable and illegal.

Had the DarkLords complied in 2002 we wouldn't be having this conversation.