Posts by DJS

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Is it wrong to mock and ridicule the Watchtower Society?

by yadda yadda 2 in

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robert j ingersoll on the great voltaire:.

"it has been claimed by the christian critics that voltaire was irreverent; that he examined sacred things without solemnity; that he refused to remove his shoes in the presence of the burning bush; that he smiled at the geology of moses, the astronomical ideas of joshua, and that the biography of jonah filled him with laughter.

they say that these stories, these sacred impossibilities, these inspired falsehoods, should be read and studied with a believing mind in humbleness of spirit; that they should be examined prayerfully, asking god at the same time to give us strength to triumph over the conclusions of our reason.

DJS

I think the newbies can take it; they wouldn't be grousing about here unless they were sick of the Borg or getting sick of it. As long as what is said is true, and curse words aren't used, why filter or censor? Strong words are necessary at times. They shouldn't be discouraged nor censored. If someone can show me that the Borg isn't full of hate, isn't controlling, doesn't destroy families, doesn't promise something which will never ever occur and doesn't set up its followers to be both financially, socially and psychologically behind the eight ball for the rest of their lives then me and those like me will always use sweet sweet words. Good luck with that.

I felt most of what I feel now when I was an elder and still believed it was the truth. Twenty years ago. I didn't come on this site - or any like it - until 2 decades post Borg had passed. I'm not freshly out and 'angry.' I've accomplished more than I can possibly relate, and my life is extremely happy and positive in all manners. So let's put things in their proper perspectve, shall we. There are a lot of posters like me who have been out a long, long time who feel the same. The Borg is full of a lot of very good people; we all know that. You call it vitriol; I call it truth. Potato potahto.

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Is it wrong to mock and ridicule the Watchtower Society?

by yadda yadda 2 in

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robert j ingersoll on the great voltaire:.

"it has been claimed by the christian critics that voltaire was irreverent; that he examined sacred things without solemnity; that he refused to remove his shoes in the presence of the burning bush; that he smiled at the geology of moses, the astronomical ideas of joshua, and that the biography of jonah filled him with laughter.

they say that these stories, these sacred impossibilities, these inspired falsehoods, should be read and studied with a believing mind in humbleness of spirit; that they should be examined prayerfully, asking god at the same time to give us strength to triumph over the conclusions of our reason.

DJS

The Borg is a dangerous hate-filled cult which robs individuals of their personal consciences and choices. They destroy families. They ensure that their followers remain challenged in life financially and emotionally, waiting anxiously on a pay-off that will never, ever come. They deserve to be thrown onto the scrap heap of the 21st Century. They deserve much more ridicule than they receive on this site. The damage they have done to individuals and families while contributing absolutely nothing to society is shameful. We are kind if all we do is call them the Borg. They deserve much worse. If that hurts someone's feelings then they can get over it. Or not. It is truth. Deal with it.

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Science proves there is a God

by seekchristonly in

fusion with god natural .

in the cosmos universe or whatever.

all things are made of the same materials etc so humans will always be fused with the universe in life and death because those building blocks are eternal.

DJS

VG,

I understand your point. As I've pointed out before, I know a helluva lot about a helluva lot, but my subject matter expertise is not in the sciences. So I don't enter science discussions, out of humility and debate decorum, which indicates that if you don't know a subject stay out of it and if you do enter a debate, honor the topic - and your fellow debaters- and have a very good knowledge of it. Feelings and beliefs work in theist discussions (really, do they have anything else), but they will and should be nuked in debates about science and other topics. What someone thinks also deserves to be obliterated, as does enough knowledge to just be annoying. So many rush to find the first article which appears to support their views and never dig deeper or even try to undertand the topic from a 360 degree approach. They get exactly what they deserve.

Having said that, it is clear that there are a number of posters who do understand a variety of scientific topics. I learn from them, which is something the theists and others lacking understanding about any topic should do. But they seemingly can't help themselves. Ego and narcissism take over and they lack the self control to avoid the keyboard.

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Is it wrong to mock and ridicule the Watchtower Society?

by yadda yadda 2 in

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robert j ingersoll on the great voltaire:.

"it has been claimed by the christian critics that voltaire was irreverent; that he examined sacred things without solemnity; that he refused to remove his shoes in the presence of the burning bush; that he smiled at the geology of moses, the astronomical ideas of joshua, and that the biography of jonah filled him with laughter.

they say that these stories, these sacred impossibilities, these inspired falsehoods, should be read and studied with a believing mind in humbleness of spirit; that they should be examined prayerfully, asking god at the same time to give us strength to triumph over the conclusions of our reason.

DJS

Kate,

Lots of us thought of the WT as the Borg when we were in, so I don't think we are hurting anyone's feelings calling it the Borg now. It is a fitting name, actually kinda cute. We could call the borganization what they really are, which is: a hate filled, vile, nasty, controlling, evil little cult. Which would you prefer?

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Simon, please update my profile picture!

by will-be-apostate in

i've read on another thread you need to delete the cached file of the profile picture so that it can be updated by the gravatar user.

i created a gravatar account, added the email address i use on here and uploaded the an image, but nothing happens.

this was 3 days ago.. could you please solve this problem?.

DJS

Will be,

I tried the same thing, but I'm cyber challenged so I thought it was just me. If a cyber nerd can't do it I may not be so lame!! Nah, I'm lame. If Simon can help, you may have started something!

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I Need Help Getting My Head Straight.......

by TTATTelder in

one of the things i have been wresting with mentally is unraveling the "us vs. them" mentality that has been driven into my skull in the organization.. i am starting this thread seeking advice on how others have come to grip with this.. this is what i struggle with:.

i like the feeling/thought of being among people that live, or try to live, or at least know they ought to live by higher standards of conduct (maybe it is just what i'm used to...).

when you walk out of a convention of people dressed up, clean-cut, shaven, non-smoking, less-profanity-speaking, fairly orderly etc and see what greets you in the streets outside, it is a big contrast.. i am also still trying to understand how a religion that has conned people (so is morally wrong) could also be so well organized and have a lot of truly decent folks among their ranks.

DJS

rebel8,

That's commonly called the Myers/Briggs Personality Type Indicator. This mother/daughter team followed up on Jung's work. David Kiersey has also added to it. One of his books, Please Understand Me (I think) is often used by marriage/parent counselors. I had a copy of it for years (loaned it). Companies have used the MBPTI test extensively for decades as a tool for hiring/promotions/team building, and trying to fit the right person in the right job. Entire countries have used Jung's premise to help in channeling youths into the vocations to which they are more likely to succeed given their personality type. MBPTI has its detractors, and it isn't 100 percent accurate, but, as you have experienced, it is darned close and has a lot of value.

An article last year suggested that certain MBPTI types have higher incomes than others.

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I Need Help Getting My Head Straight.......

by TTATTelder in

one of the things i have been wresting with mentally is unraveling the "us vs. them" mentality that has been driven into my skull in the organization.. i am starting this thread seeking advice on how others have come to grip with this.. this is what i struggle with:.

i like the feeling/thought of being among people that live, or try to live, or at least know they ought to live by higher standards of conduct (maybe it is just what i'm used to...).

when you walk out of a convention of people dressed up, clean-cut, shaven, non-smoking, less-profanity-speaking, fairly orderly etc and see what greets you in the streets outside, it is a big contrast.. i am also still trying to understand how a religion that has conned people (so is morally wrong) could also be so well organized and have a lot of truly decent folks among their ranks.

DJS

TTATT-E

I thought similarly when I exited the Borg, but I discovered quite soon that there are a lot of great people in the world - unlike what we were led to believe by the Dark Lords in the Tower. And their friendship isn't conditional. I have friends who are: Jewish, Black, Gay, Bi, Hindu, Muslim, Atheist, Christian (very), ex-Dubs. I love them all and I think the feelilngs are returned. The one thing they all have in common: they are all excellent, ethical people. I don't think about labels. I don't think any of them smoke, use drugs or cause any other harm. You will find out when you complete your exit. You are too close right now to clearly see it. Don't worry.

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Dating Advice needed

by KateWild in

well i joined two dating sites yesterday and i have had lots of messages.

a couple of guys want to chat to me by phone to get to know me better.

i've been asked out on two dates.

DJS

A floozy? Now that's a name I've not heard in a long time. A long time. (ode to Star Wars). If you were a dude everyone would think you cool. No, your'e not a floozy (what the hell is a floozy anyway?). But I have a major crush on Lindsay Lohan, so I may not be the right person to ask! Change your language, especially the adjectives!!!!

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is going to a strip club a disfellowshipping offense?

by monis1 in

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i'm pretty sure it is, just wanted to confirm.

this would be someone who went once and only looked....

DJS

Tal,

Stippers are exploited at times; I'm well aware of that. But I've noticed that the younger generation is 'fighting' back in their own way. If a girl can take her clothes off, be proud of it, stay away from drugs and the sex trade, and make killer cash to pay for school or baby, I think that is an empowering thing for women. A lot of them can and do. Some succumb to the dark side I'm sure. I know a lot, I mean my best friend tells me about a lot, who stay clean and pay the bills. And they are proud of it. Stripping isn't going away; it is here to stay. If the girls involved in it can empower themselves to use it to make money for a degree or a living, then it is no different than waiting tables or working as an accountant. And that's they way it should be.

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is going to a strip club a disfellowshipping offense?

by monis1 in

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i'm pretty sure it is, just wanted to confirm.

this would be someone who went once and only looked....

DJS

Tal,

I certainly can't speak of your experience and won't try. I'm sure you are accurate. But my description is spot on for all of the strip clubs I've been to, in a number of cities. Some of the girls in this area stay at the same place for years. One was an ex Dub who did it for the money, raising her kid because baby daddy was gone. Some of the hotter strippers marry rich guys and live in big homes. At leat that's what i'm told. ;=). And the somewhere for the girls working their way through college is here where I live; I have personal knowledge of it. And there are more than a few, as your special characters indicate. It is not a rare phenomemon. From last month: And this is a lot more typical than you can imagine. Twenty four women at one strip club working their way through college. Could they all be lying? Of course, but the source is very credible. There are many other news articles about this. It is not rare, nor is it just 'somewhere.'

The G-String Scholarship: College Students Strip to Pay Tuition Costs

May 19, 2014 By JUJU CHANG and MICHAEL CAPPETTA JUJU CHANG More From Juju » Correspondent MICHAEL CAPPETTA More From Michael » via NIGHTLINE

Maggie is one of 24 women at Scores who are putting themselves through school and stripping to make as much money as possible before they get their diplomas. A fellow dancer, who asked to be called "Jade," is also a college student in New York, studying for five finals, who strips to pay for school.

“When I grow up, I’m hoping to become a forensic psychologist for the judicial system,” she said.