Posts by DJS

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Prank call to Governing Body member Anthony Morris III gets through

by Watchtower-Free in

alert..............alert.....breaking news .......... john cedars of jwsurvey has pranked called governing body member anthony morris iii at bethel .

over 2 minutes of pranking .

as i type he is editing the recording into a video .

DJS

I didn't want to be the first one to say this, but this is childish and counter-productive.

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Curious how today's JWs view the anti-vaxxer movement

by undercover in

i wonder how the average jw in our modern world views the new anti-vaxxer movement.

do they sympathize, agree - or - see them as kooky, out of touch, nutso - or - somewhere in between.. remember, back in the olden, golden days...or should i say, the golden age, the wts took a hard line stance against vaccinations.

see jwfacts info regarding the the anti-vaccination stand taken by the wts:.

DJS

Curiously in the US, the anti-vaccination movement has been spearheaded by the educated and the elite, which is exactly opposite from those opposed to vaccines in 3rd world countries, who typically are the least educated and the superstitious.

A discredited 1998 study by a British doctor along with a decade long campaign of hysteria waged by Playmate Jenny McCarthy have fueled the anti-vaxxers. Jenny should stick to showing her boobs instead of being one.

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Christian bakery ordered to pay $150 000 to gay couple

by cofty in

an oregon bakery that refused to make a wedding cake for a same-sex marriage has lost its appeal..... the judge has ordered 'sweet cakes by melissa' to pay $150 000 damages to rachel and laurel bowman-cryer.. discrimination is illegal, and religious superstition is not an excuse.

how long before jws land in court under similar circumstances?.

DJS

Yeah, I saw that in the news and expected it would be someone like that. A business has a right to establish policies based on legitimate business interests. A policy against hate speech would almost certainly be supported by the courts as a legitimate business interest. The NFL, NBA, Duck Dynasty, etc. have anti-hate speech policies which have been vetted and withstood legal scrutiny. This idiot is wasting everyone's time.

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Christian bakery ordered to pay $150 000 to gay couple

by cofty in

an oregon bakery that refused to make a wedding cake for a same-sex marriage has lost its appeal..... the judge has ordered 'sweet cakes by melissa' to pay $150 000 damages to rachel and laurel bowman-cryer.. discrimination is illegal, and religious superstition is not an excuse.

how long before jws land in court under similar circumstances?.

DJS

Another of my favorite movies. The longest name in cinema: "MyNameisInigoMontoyaYouKilledMyFatherPrepareToDie."

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Christian bakery ordered to pay $150 000 to gay couple

by cofty in

an oregon bakery that refused to make a wedding cake for a same-sex marriage has lost its appeal..... the judge has ordered 'sweet cakes by melissa' to pay $150 000 damages to rachel and laurel bowman-cryer.. discrimination is illegal, and religious superstition is not an excuse.

how long before jws land in court under similar circumstances?.

DJS

Viv,

I'm a stalker!!! I will try to limit it to stealing your words!!!!

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Christian bakery ordered to pay $150 000 to gay couple

by cofty in

an oregon bakery that refused to make a wedding cake for a same-sex marriage has lost its appeal..... the judge has ordered 'sweet cakes by melissa' to pay $150 000 damages to rachel and laurel bowman-cryer.. discrimination is illegal, and religious superstition is not an excuse.

how long before jws land in court under similar circumstances?.

DJS

Most excellent. They got exactly what they deserve. And thanks Blondie for that info; damn litigious Canadians!!! Eh!

We discuss this topic every few months it seems. And the responses are the same: those who believe it is not a constitutional right on one side, and those who believe that a business should be able to do what it wishes on the other (good luck with that). And side 1 always wins, because few if any courts in the US have ever found that a business selling commercial services to the general public has a First Amendment right to turn away customers on a discriminatory basis.

And yes, there was a recent court case where the KKK won a lawsuit against a bakery that wouldn't bake them a cake because it offended the owner's religious beliefs. Google it. That is a specious (that means the argument/statement sounds reasonable but is actually woo (yes, I stole Viviane’s word – deal with it) with a bow on it) argument.

Like it or not, the courts have ruled that bakers, photographers, and other businesses are exactly that — businesses. Their business decisions are not speech; they are commercial transactions that are open to the entire public regardless of race, gender, religion, ethnic origin (the original Civil rights Laws circa 1964) and disabilities (ADA – circa 1990) and now sexual orientation based on numerous recent cases. Or Democrats, Republicans, the KKK, the Boy Scouts, Rotary Club or the Black Panthers (are they even still around?), as long as these groups are operating legally and aren’t making requests for services or products that are seditious, illegal or that violate legitimate business interests (e.g., a restaurant can require shoes/shirts for service).

The courts have consistently ruled that free speech rights don’t trump civil rights laws guarded by the Constitution. Businesses are public accommodations, not private individuals. There is no difference between a baker and a bank. Either the business offers its services to everyone, or it doesn’t.

ChaseSerious is one of our legal experts, and he can speak much more eloquently than I on this topic, but the courts have consistently ruled in the same manner for decades. The real problem is with individuals thinking they have rights that they do not have. Nor should they have.

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Can the world condition be worse than this?

by abiather in

the innocent civilians being attacked is the norm of the day.

attacking hospitals too are happening frequently.

now schools being attacked is becoming a regular affair (last of its kind massacred 150 children in peshawar on december 16, 2014)..

DJS

Abiathar,

I'm still waiting for you to pick a time that you would prefer to live in other than today. Do you like your own running water? If so, that would place you in the 20th Century - but only in a few places. Like hot water with that? Further in the 20th Century. Do you enjoy not having to split wood, shovel coal, dig peat moss or dry cow dung for fuel to keep you warm or cook your food? If so, once again you are squarely in the 20th Century and a few places at that.

Do you get retirement benefits? Health care? Do you like the state of the art hospitals? Do you like cable tv, the internet (obviously)?

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Quick introduction

by OzGirl in

jw
friends

only have a few minutes to spare so thought i would throw this together.. been in for about 30 years.

questions and doubts gathered over that time.

i have a keen interest in the legal and financial matters of the watchtower.. came across this site about 5 years ago.

DJS

Welcome OzGirl (my favorite movie ever),

Are you Dorothy? Glinda (my first crush)? Elvira Gulch (da da da da dahhhh da, da da da da da)?, The Wicked Witch of the East (can't be, that's my ex wife), The Wicked Witch of the West (can't be, that's my ex-GF)? Auntie Em? Auntie Em? Auntie Em?

Seriously, welcome to the forum.

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Can the world condition be worse than this?

by abiather in

the innocent civilians being attacked is the norm of the day.

attacking hospitals too are happening frequently.

now schools being attacked is becoming a regular affair (last of its kind massacred 150 children in peshawar on december 16, 2014)..

DJS

Cofty,

I would agree. And they continuously feed the paranoia with confirmation bias that seems entrenched and myopic. A man hears what he wants to hear, sees what he wants to see and disregards the rest.

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Can the world condition be worse than this?

by abiather in

the innocent civilians being attacked is the norm of the day.

attacking hospitals too are happening frequently.

now schools being attacked is becoming a regular affair (last of its kind massacred 150 children in peshawar on december 16, 2014)..

DJS

Repeating myself: For 100,000 years the average life expectancy of humans was 34, including the year 1900. And life was no picnic for those who lived a long life. If you broke something you limped or were otherwise impeded, crippled or disfigured. If a fungus, skin infection or something grew on you somewhere it stayed until you died, likely disfiguring you at the worst and making you not so hot at the best. If your tooth got knocked out you looked like shit the rest of your life, unless you were lucky enough to get a wooden or metal one. If your eyesight gave out, you bumped into things. If you relied on your keen eyesight for making a living (most of us do), such as a cobbler, blacksmith, etc., your ability to be gainfully employed and feed yourself/family was greatly impacted.

And in some cultures, if you were really old and feeble, or just kinda old and feeble, they took your sorry ass out into the wilderness to die. Nothing personal.

And forget about signing up for food stamps, welfare, unemployment, social security or disability.

So my irrational end-of-timer, ~~dumb-ass,~~ friends, pick a time period in which you think things were so much better. Go ahead, make my day.