Posts by DJS

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Video: Dear Believer, Why Do You Believe?

by Believer in

i was asked to view the video “dear believer, why do you believe?” i said i would and i would publish my comments about it.

so here are my comments.

after my post, i hope other believers will post theirs comments about it.

DJS

Believer,

Didn't you say a couple of days ago you would never post again on this site or even view it??

You were asked to view a video? Really? By whom? The Pope? Billy Graham? Believer?

So let me get this straight. You are now separating religion from god. I see. In your last OP, where you assigned all us atheists to Gehenna (is that the metaphorical Gehenna meaning death or the hot place? I want to dress appropriately), you also stated that there was a 'true faith.'

Now the important question. Are those who believe in god in your true faith? Or is it just the xtian god and his baby boy that gets identified as the true faith? What about the myriads of gods in Hinduism, Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva? Islam's god Allah? Moksha of Jainism?

Or is the true faith only reserved for Believer and its followers? Do the Hindus, Jains, Buddhists, etc. also get thrown into Gehenna along with us atheists? We are talking about several billion people, so your response is meaningful. We got to alert a whole lot of people if you don't approve of their religion or their god.

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Video: Dear Believer, Why Do You Believe?

by Believer in

i was asked to view the video “dear believer, why do you believe?” i said i would and i would publish my comments about it.

so here are my comments.

after my post, i hope other believers will post theirs comments about it.

DJS

Lieu,

More ad hominen. Is that all you got? We atheists promise that the second you say something that makes sense we will applaud you.

We hurt your feelings because that's what you lead with and what drives you. If you would start using your brain it wouldn't sting so much.

Or even some self control.

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Introduction - Any Believers?

by Believer in

i’ve been reading it for a few of years off and on, but have been a little too ... maybe ... timid to join.

i left the watchtower organization almost 20 years ago but never abandoned my faith and belief in god.

i knew the gb/organization didn’t represent god, so when i lost my faith in them, i managed to keep my faith in an all wise benevolent creator.

DJS

rebel,

We don't blame god because we don't believe in her. You are missing the point. We are countering your beliefs and statements about her with a rational, analytical response that shows, if she existed, she is a monster or she simply doesn't care about her creation. But if you and those like you point to the bible - IN ANY MANNER - as proof she exists, that the bible is in any manner inspired by her or meant as a guide for humans or to help us cretans learn about her, then she is a moral monster.

It's called rational debate. I know you aren't used to it but try to follow along.

We know it is man who is responsible for all of this carnage.

As others have rightly said about the bible: in for a penny, in for a pound. Picking and choosing which parts of it are inspired and which parts are to be ignored results in what we have. Thousands of different x-tian belief systems, all of which can use the bible in support of their beliefs and actions, which include the destruction by your god of billions in this end of time period (gag) and after the thousand year 'rain' of terror by your god, billions more who have assumedly obtained perfection.

And, you place yourself in immediate conflict by calling yourself this name: Christian. Because there is only one source for that belief system. One.

In for a penny. In for a pound.

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Introduction - Any Believers?

by Believer in

i’ve been reading it for a few of years off and on, but have been a little too ... maybe ... timid to join.

i left the watchtower organization almost 20 years ago but never abandoned my faith and belief in god.

i knew the gb/organization didn’t represent god, so when i lost my faith in them, i managed to keep my faith in an all wise benevolent creator.

DJS

Lieu,

Every major x-tian religion for nearly 2000 years has applied those scriptures in exactly the same manner. That belief served in large part as the legitimacy for the Crusades, the Conquistadors and hosts of other atrocities, wars, murders and genocides committed by x-tians and in the name of Christ. The tips of the Conquistadores' spears were sharpened by Jesus.

That some are backing away from that belief/teaching suggests x-tianity is finally learning a bit from its mistakes. But like Islam, until they divorce themselves from the relevancy and most importantly from the legitimacy of their sacred writings (Koran/Bible) and the inerrancy and god inspired nature of them we will continue to see the same beliefs rise up in horrific actions and latently cause needless divisions amongst our species.

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Introduction - Any Believers?

by Believer in

i’ve been reading it for a few of years off and on, but have been a little too ... maybe ... timid to join.

i left the watchtower organization almost 20 years ago but never abandoned my faith and belief in god.

i knew the gb/organization didn’t represent god, so when i lost my faith in them, i managed to keep my faith in an all wise benevolent creator.

DJS

Regarding Jesus/Jah

Destroying billions is so nice, they are going to to it twice:

Rev. 14: (At Armageddon)

And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, and he also had a sharp sickle. 18Then another angel, the one who has power over fire, came out from the altar; and he called with a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, saying, “Put in your sharp sickle and gather the clusters from the vine of the earth, because her grapes are ripe.” 19So the angel swung his sickle to the earth and gathered the clusters from the vine of the earth, and threw them into the great wine press of the wrath of God. 20And the wine press was trodden outside the city, and blood came out from the wine press, up to the horses’ bridles, for a distance of two hundred miles.

Rev 21: (after the 1000 year reign)

But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

And baby (the flood) makes three.

I'm ashamed I used to believe this.

No one can rationally explain these scriptures. There is no spin that can be placed on them other than J&J are monsters, before the bible was written, in the OT and especially in the NT. Jesus does not love me.

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Introduction - Any Believers?

by Believer in

i’ve been reading it for a few of years off and on, but have been a little too ... maybe ... timid to join.

i left the watchtower organization almost 20 years ago but never abandoned my faith and belief in god.

i knew the gb/organization didn’t represent god, so when i lost my faith in them, i managed to keep my faith in an all wise benevolent creator.

DJS

Lieu,

An expected response. What you didn't do, and what you can't do, is suggest that anything I said isn't 100% accurate. Because it is. And what you didn't do, and what you can't do, is suggest that your reasoning and rationale are not immature and irrational. Because they are.

When someone's response is solely based on ad hominem and whining about to whom you posted (you are posting to the world wide web - if you've been on this site as long as you say you should also already know that), it is a clue that you have no rational response.

So instead of wasting everyone's time (other than showing lurkers and fence sitters the horrors of your god and the irrationality of trying to defend a bronze age book of nonsense) and getting your panties in a wad about me, I suggest that you work at being more rational and evidence driven.

I can help you Lieu, but you have to let me.

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Introduction - Any Believers?

by Believer in

i’ve been reading it for a few of years off and on, but have been a little too ... maybe ... timid to join.

i left the watchtower organization almost 20 years ago but never abandoned my faith and belief in god.

i knew the gb/organization didn’t represent god, so when i lost my faith in them, i managed to keep my faith in an all wise benevolent creator.

DJS

Lieu,

I avoid religious discussions like the plague they are. I only get involved when one of you theists make definitive, erroneous statements about atheists or you try to preach at us. Both of these occur a lot, but I ignore most of them.

The level of immaturity associated with your responses to Cofty and others on this post, however, makes it difficult for me to avoid responding. Regardless of whether one believes in the trinity, your post orders (bible) makes numerous references that Jah and his little boy Jesus are in lock step agreement in every way and on every matter.

For you to attempt to play the Old Testament/New Testament card in this matter in response to Cofty's illustration of what a monster your god is, is childish and wildly inaccurate.

Also, let's for a second suggest that Jah of the OT and Jesus of the NT are in some manner different. Really? As I recall, the chip off the old block is going to destroy billions soon including men, women and children who have done him no wrong. And after that, he is going to do it again for all those missing the mark after the 1000 yr. reign.

I suggest you grow up and face the stark, cold reality that Jesus and his dad are moral monsters, undeserving of our recognition as deities much less deserving of honor or praise. Or are you like Believer and you choose to bury your head in the sand and only think of rainbows and unicorns when it comes to your own very specific, delusional version of the almighty.

The more you post the more immature your reasoning and rationale. But please continue because it is helping the fence sitters and the lurkers more clearly see that the gods of the bible are horrific monsters.

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This is Why I Will Keep Explaining Evolution to ex-JWs

by cofty in

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DJS

Imagine that Part Deux:

http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/educational-distribution/#trend

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This is Why I Will Keep Explaining Evolution to ex-JWs

by cofty in

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DJS

Imagine that.

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Need advice

by Drwho in

i'm a middle aged man.

i dated a jw lady for 3 months ., we never had sex, just made out , half naked , well everything except underwear .

she has been a jw for 40 years ., was married to a jw but he committed adultery 13 years ago so they divorced .

DJS

Wow Drwho,

How can I get me some of that? No, what you are describing about her living conditions is not typical of JWs, at least based on my experience. Others may shed better light.

Yes, love can have goggles, but you have only known this woman for a few months. I could understand 'loving' her if her dad owned a liquor store and she liked girls - and would share occasionally. But . . .

I have a rule. I don't commit to anyone in any manner until I've known them for 2 years. People can fake who they really are for a while, but most can't fake it for 2 years. Three months is nothing in relationship terms, and as you state you are rarely at her zoo, I mean home.

Stan, there's this thing-ey called a plan. Make a new one.