If you really want to share ideas with believers all you have to do is pm them and gather personal emails of those showing interest.
Then you can knock yourself out, out of harms way from us atheists.
observations: if man is merely a machine and the universe is merely a mechanism .... if men were only machines, they would react more or less uniformly to a material universe.
individuality, much less personality, would be nonexistent.. materialism reduces man to a soulless automaton and constitutes him merely an arithmetical symbol finding a helpless place in the mathematical formula of an unromantic and mechanistic universe.
but whence comes all this vast universe of mathematics without a master mathematician?
If you really want to share ideas with believers all you have to do is pm them and gather personal emails of those showing interest.
Then you can knock yourself out, out of harms way from us atheists.
i was asked to view the video “dear believer, why do you believe?” i said i would and i would publish my comments about it.
so here are my comments.
after my post, i hope other believers will post theirs comments about it.
What is it with x-tian apologists and confirmation bias. Or "I need $ quick, lots of it. What can I do to get me some."
Dr. Alexander was quoted in a Newsweek article stating the following regarding his beliefs before his coma:
"Although I considered myself a faithful Christian, I was so more in name than in actual belief."
At the time of his coma, Dr. Alexander was facing over $3M in a malpractice lawsuit. His history of malpractice was considerable, as was his history of being terminated, 'fired', from jobs. He also had a history of altering medical records to cover his malpractice.
Dr. Alexander was terminated from Brigham hospital in 2001, had his surgical privileges terminated by UMass a couple of years after that, and after that he finally got a job at Lynchburg General. Then this, from an Esquire article:
On June 27, 2007, Alexander performed surgery on a man's disk.
Instead of fusing the farmer's fifth and sixth vertebrae, he fused his fourth and fifth. He did not realize his mistake at first. When he dictated the operative report, he recorded that the "MRI scan showed significant disk bulge and disk osteophyte complex compression at C5-6 mainly the left side," and then described an operation on those vertebrae, instead of the vertebrae he had actually operated on.
On July 12, he had his first follow-up appointment with the farmer. He reviewed the postoperative X-rays. He noticed his mistake. He didn't tell his patient. Instead, after his patient went home, he pulled the operative report up on his computer and edited it. Now the report read that the MRI scan had showed disk bulge at both C4-5 and C5-6, and that "we had discussed possible C5-6 as well as C4-5 decompression, finally deciding on C4-5 decompression." Then he simply found every subsequent reference in the report to C5-6 and changed it to C4-5. After he finished editing the report, it read as though he hadn't done anything wrong at all.
During a third follow-up meeting, in October, Alexander finally confessed. By the end of October he no longer had surgical privileges at the hospital. Soon after his deposition, Alexander's lawyers urge him to settle, and he does. They also urge him to settle another case, stemming from an operation he performed only two weeks after the farmer's, when he again operated on the wrong vertebra of a patient. He settles that case, too. The Virginia Board of Medicine allows him to keep his license, but levies a modest fine and orders him to take continuing education classes in ethics and professionalism. By the time all his pending cases are resolved, Alexander will have settled five malpractice cases in the last ten years. Only one other Virginia-licensed neurosurgeon has settled as many cases in that time period, and none have settled more.
As regards his coma, he fails to mention that it was a medically induced coma and not due to the infection as he claims. Dr. Laura Potter, the primary and only attending dr. that has commented on Alexander's story makes this statement regarding the day after inducing Alexander's coma:
"And of course he was still in an induced coma," she says. "On ventilator support. They tried to let him wake up and see what he would do, but he was in exactly the same agitated state. Even if they tried to ease up, a little bit even, on the sedation. In fact, for days, every time they would try to wean his sedation—just thrashing, trying to scream, and grabbing at his tube."
Fox and Friends (of Jesus) called Alexander an acclaimed neurosurgeon. An infamous one perhaps. An incompetent one for a certain.
i’ve been reading it for a few of years off and on, but have been a little too ... maybe ... timid to join.
i left the watchtower organization almost 20 years ago but never abandoned my faith and belief in god.
i knew the gb/organization didn’t represent god, so when i lost my faith in them, i managed to keep my faith in an all wise benevolent creator.
OutsideLooking,
Do you ever think before posting? Believer, Perry, Lieu and a billion or more other x tians teach that along with the murderers, etc. your god is going to destroy billions of very kind. moral, ethical people simply because they find your religion and your gods abhorrent.
X tians don't simply believe it, they are anxiously waiting for it.
A host of very good empirical studies suggest that the more atheistic or secular an individual, state, nation or region the more likely they are ethical and functional.
If your god is really going to rid the planet of the vermin and infection that plagues our species she would start with the theists, and especially the x tians.
...right from a pro-jw site in response to a post about the relative seriousness of homosexuality.
all you can do is reason from the scriptures, which you appear to have done.
homosexuality is as serious as bestiality, or adultery and fornication.
TheLiberator,
Abhorrent? Really? You've been watching the wrong porn. I find the thought of 2 obese heteros mating abhorrent and I'm straight.
Well, mostly.
Your views are the only thing abhorrent about your comment.
it seems britain has voted to leave the eu in a move of total madness!
the markets are already in free fall and the moronic bigots who campaigned for this are celebrating the demise of our country .. i can't see how a 49-51% split can be democratic?
there is still the postal vote to come in, maybe there's hope in that?
Observations from across the pond:
Of course none of us will know whether Brexit turns out more positive than negative or is a wash. However, inquiring US minds want to know:
The news from the BBC states that the demographics of the group most responsible for Brexit is older, whiter (if that's even possible), less educated and poorer.
The primary reason for Brexit seems to be Muslim immigration, which we can all thank George Bush, Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney for. Or, in other words, fear.
That raises red flags to me, but that doesn't obviously correlate to whether it was good or bad. Time will tell.
Input my British fiends?
i’ve been reading it for a few of years off and on, but have been a little too ... maybe ... timid to join.
i left the watchtower organization almost 20 years ago but never abandoned my faith and belief in god.
i knew the gb/organization didn’t represent god, so when i lost my faith in them, i managed to keep my faith in an all wise benevolent creator.
Re:
OutsiderLookingIn: What
I’m wondering is does the chicken come before the egg or vice versa?
From Google Scholar:
Intelligence, Volume 39, Issue 6, November–December 2011, Pages 468–472
The relationship between intelligence and multiple domains of religious belief: Evidence from a large adult US sample - Gary J. Lewis, Stuart J. Ritchie, Timothy C. Bates - Highlights - Lower intelligence was significantly associated with higher levels of faith. Lower intelligence was most strongly associated with increased fundamentalism.
i’ve been reading it for a few of years off and on, but have been a little too ... maybe ... timid to join.
i left the watchtower organization almost 20 years ago but never abandoned my faith and belief in god.
i knew the gb/organization didn’t represent god, so when i lost my faith in them, i managed to keep my faith in an all wise benevolent creator.
Lieu
You must be Believers friend. He judged me and those like me to eternal destruction in his 2nd OP.
He has judged billions of others to the same sentence. Apparently only him and those like him have true faith.
He's getting exactly what he deserves. Your incessant whining is changing on one's opinion.
If a Muslim came on this site and did the same thing, only with Allah and Islam being the true faith, you and the other theists would crucify him. The only reason you are standing up for Believer is that you share his beliefs.
i was asked to view the video “dear believer, why do you believe?” i said i would and i would publish my comments about it.
so here are my comments.
after my post, i hope other believers will post theirs comments about it.
I don't give a rat's ass what Believer does or doesn't do. Nor do I give a rodent's rear that Believer is a noob. He had an opportunity to give some rational thought to what he posted. Just like you. He had one desire and one only, and that is to show all of us the intensive bible learnin' he has.
Believer is no different that the DarkLords. Believer believes exactly like the Dark Lords. Same song, different verse. We gave Believer multiple opportunities to spin his judgments. He tried to deny them. Then he ignored requests to explain them. I respect his right to believe what he wishes, as long as he keeps it between his L ear and his R ear.
Once he brings it out in public in order to spread his infection, his beliefs become a target. And that is most excellent. And really Lieu, the first and last refuge of you high school grads with a striver's IQ is always to call someone like me an elder. Boring.
If you have been following along, I don't care. Dick. Ass. Elder. It is rocket fuel to me and completely ineffective. I would prefer more creative names, such as Insufferable Bastard, which I liked. JFK called me an over-educated muffin head, but since his post had an NC-17 rating, he must have called me something else. Dad, I mean Simon, must have censured him. I'm dying to find out what he called me. JFK, if you are reading this, pm me what you really called me.
I have provided ample evidence, using Believer's own words. There isn't any gray in this issue. But please continue. The ass in me is way ahead of the empath.
i was asked to view the video “dear believer, why do you believe?” i said i would and i would publish my comments about it.
so here are my comments.
after my post, i hope other believers will post theirs comments about it.
Lieu,
You really are in over your head here, but it is clear that lack of self control is your biggest problem.
My summary is spot on. Believer is no different than what we escaped. I've copied and pasted his own words and I've given him multiple opportunities to distance himself from DarkLord teachings. He owned them when he stated the following rather than directly answer my questions, and I quote: ".. . expression by a believer OF HIS OWN BELIEFS." The caps are Believers.
These ARE his beliefs.
The more you post the more ridiculous you make yourself. The empath in me wishes you would avoid the keyboard. The ass in me hopes you don't.
i was asked to view the video “dear believer, why do you believe?” i said i would and i would publish my comments about it.
so here are my comments.
after my post, i hope other believers will post theirs comments about it.
Class,
Let's re cap to put into perspective exactly what we are talking about. There is so much BS being thrown about by various theists that I don't want you to miss the main issue.
1. We all left a religion that claimed it alone was the true faith and everyone not believing like them was judged to everlasting destruction .
2. Believer states that anyone not believing like it does not have the true faith and is therefore deserving of everlasting destruction.
I believe that very accurately sums this series of Believers OPs.