I remember that quote too! How pathetic. Forget Israel, what about defending America? Why are American taxpayers shipping more money than the Apollo moon mission to help Israel buy arms (and Caterpillar bulldozers)?
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What Zionists really think...examples of hate speech.
by reporter inexamples of hate speech
"there is a huge gap between us (jews) and our enemies not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience.
they are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy.
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So, what REALLY happened on September 11, a.k.a. the unknowns...???
by reporter init's getting on to almost two years since the events of september 11, and it is striking how little we know about what happened: .
we don't know the real names of any of the hijackers.. we don't know what countries they came from.. we don't know who planned and organized the terrorism.. we don't know who financed it.. we have no idea what actually happened at the pentagon (but i know a boeing 757 didn't go through this hole).
normal video tapes of and from the pentagon building, which should have shown what happened, have never been released (except for one, which poses more questions than it answers).
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HAMAS: you must be talking about this:
BRITS FACING X-RAY EXECUTION CHAMBERS
Jul 5 2003
By Anthony Harwood, US Editor, Rod Chaytor and Ginny Sandringham
U.K. Mirror
RELATIVES of two Britons facing a US military trial for alleged al-Qaeda links said last night: "This is not justice."
Human rights campaigners and lawyers joined the outcry over the George Bush order that could end in execution for the accused pair.
Moazzam Begg, 35, from Sparkbrook, Birmingham, and Feroz Abbasi, 23, of Croydon, Surrey, are among six Camp Delta captives facing tribunals, probably held in secret and solely under the control of the US military.
It is more than 50 years since such hearings were used. Justice groups claimed they breached international law and had only one objective - "to secure a conviction".
Execution chambers are already under construction at the captives' prison HQ in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
Families of the two Britons were stunned at their inclusion among the first prosecutions and horrified at their possible fate, without independent legal help.
Azmat Begg - father of Moazzam, who himself has four children - likened the news to a "dagger to the heart".
He said: "The trial will be military, the judge will be military and yet my son is a civilian. This is just not right.
"If the Government or military are appointing people, that is absolutely wrong. It should be an independent person. How can it be a fair trial?"
Mr Begg, 65, added: "My son was never involved in al-Qaeda. He is a proper, family man."
Abbasi's mother Zumrati Juma was said to be "absolutely devastated". Her son's solicitor said: "We are horrified that the Government is allowing this."
Australian David Hicks, a Yemeni suspect and two others complete the list of six. Hicks' lawyer Stephen Kenny said: "If Saddam Hussein was trying Australians in these sort of conditions, Australia would be invading." Hicks is an Islamic convert.
More than 600 prisoners have been held at the US naval base in Cuba as worst-of-the-worst "unlawful combatants", following the end of the Afghan war in late 2001. Plans for the first prosecutions were announced by Mr Bush on Thursday night. He has to designate those eligible for trial.
The Pentagon, who refused to officially name the six, claimed there was evidence of involvement in al-Qaeda - the Osama bin Laden network held responsible for the September 11 Trade Center atrocity.
Officials said some of the six may have attended terrorist training camps or were involved in raising money and recruiting.
A chief prosecutor will now draw up possible charges for US Deputy Defence Secretary Paul Wolfowitz to decide who exactly will go in the dock. Prosecution and defence counsel from the military have already been appointed by the Pentagon.
The hearings will be in front of a panel of between three and seven judges, who will also come from the services. The authorities reserve the right to hold the proceedings in secret if there is any risk of "compromising national security".
Only defendants who are US citizens will be entitled to civilian legal representation.
Construction of court facilities is thought to have begun at Guantanamo Bay.
Moazzam Begg was seized by the CIA in Pakistan in February 2002 and taken to Afghanistan.
He was held in isolation there in a windowless cell for a year before being shipped to Cuba. His family say he was a victim of mistaken identity.
Feroz Abbasi was captured by American special forces in Kunduz, north east Afghanistan, in December 2001
His mother Zumrati claims he was brainwashed after attending the notorious Finsbury Park mosque. He is then said to have used his computer skills to develop a website that supported holy war ideas.
Abbasi's solicitor Louise Christian said it was "impossible" for Zumrati to believe that her son - who left home at 19 - could have been a senior member of any organisation.
Ms Christian added: "The tribunal's powers to impose the death penalty are barbaric and breach all international human rights laws. This is victor's justice."
The pressure group Fair Trials Abroad said: "The whole Cuban exercise has become a failed and cynical public relations stunt. The Americans are making up their own rules."
Amnesty International said the tribunals seemed to offer "second-class justice".
The European Commission said use of the death penalty could undermine international support for the US-led war on terrorism.
The Foreign Office confirmed that "two of the six detainees designated are British". Seven other Britons are at the camp.
Colonel Will Gunn, the US chief defence lawyer at Guantanamo Bay, told BBC2's Newsnight last night he was "extremely concerned" that defendants would not have faith in those defending them.
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Why are JW REQUIRED to report Field Service Time???
by JT inif you ever wanted to know why this poster put it best
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of course, remember, on the time slip there are reports for "placements" of mags & books conveniently located for all to fill out...
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What Zionists really think...examples of hate speech.
by reporter inexamples of hate speech
"there is a huge gap between us (jews) and our enemies not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience.
they are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy.
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EXAMPLES OF HATE SPEECH
1. "There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy." Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001 2. "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000
3. " [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.
4. "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988
5. "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.
6. "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Golda Meir, March 8, 1969.
7. "There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969
8. "The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.
9. David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
9a. Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."
10. "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.
11. "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio. (Certainly the FBI's cover-up of the Israeli spy ring/phone tap scandal suggests that Mr. Sharon may not have been joking.)
12. "We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.
13. "We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return" David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.
15. "We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai." David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
16. "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"
17. "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.
18. "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.
19. Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. "We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters" Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas.
20. "There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. [I] tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:...the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish...with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary." Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5.
21. "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.
22. "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.
23. "Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine,Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.
24. "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." -- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]
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We made it to Florida!!!
by StinkyPantz inwell we made it to florida, but the journey was not exactly what i would call a fun one.. .
as many of you know, my fairly new suv was totaled (by no fault of my own) one month before we were supposed to be making our big move.
well, we were forced to buy a car with limited income until the insurance company paid up.
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That was an adventure! To all those who knock SUVs, there's a textbook case of why you need one to pull a trailer...100 degree heat needs tranny oil cooler for sure, extra-capacity rad, and, all that good stuff like A/C so you don't have to add to the 100 degrees with 130 coming out of your blower! Jeez, if I was down there, I would have hauled you across country myself...
It's not much better back here...91 today, 94 yesterday...although HOPEFULLY a front comes soon to break the back of this heat
But, at least I can jump into my nice work truck to cool off...and she don't feel a thing when hauling a half-ton around!
You'll probably appreciate Florida more in November to March, where it is much nicer and not so bloody humid... and we freeze to death up here with our toilet-seat temperature changes
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Why are JW REQUIRED to report Field Service Time???
by JT inif you ever wanted to know why this poster put it best
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Many count time by going to Tim Horton's for a coffee break, yet when ministering to the sick and elderly the clock stops. Now, time can be micro-managed in 15 minute increments to boot.
Only a full-fledged corporation would be so obsessed over numbers and the bottom line. They attempt to quanitfy what should be a quality measurement: the performance of good and helpful deeds!
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bttt, this went right under everybody's radar...
in the digital age, it gets harder to hide stuff, Tony!
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So, what REALLY happened on September 11, a.k.a. the unknowns...???
by reporter init's getting on to almost two years since the events of september 11, and it is striking how little we know about what happened: .
we don't know the real names of any of the hijackers.. we don't know what countries they came from.. we don't know who planned and organized the terrorism.. we don't know who financed it.. we have no idea what actually happened at the pentagon (but i know a boeing 757 didn't go through this hole).
normal video tapes of and from the pentagon building, which should have shown what happened, have never been released (except for one, which poses more questions than it answers).
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Bin Laden and al-Queda might have been cheering & sympathetic to the final result, but that in and of itself wouldn't provide evidence beyond a reasonable doubt of guilt necessarily. There are many factions which cheer the demise of America in a sick way. Many are brought up with that thinking. There were the dancing Israelis, too, remember.
I don't know. I posted seismographic evidence of activity during the fall of each tower, and evidence supporting how much heat energy is required to hanicap structural steel to a point of catastrophic failure. Personally, I think a low-level nuclear explosion may be far fetched, but, there was certainly weeks if not months where the underground areas were incredibly heated.
Abaddon posts his sources, I'll post mine. Fair enough. It doesn't bother me. I have an open mind. I'll keep reading... I'll re-read everything here, but I'll certainly not go out of my way to bash the research or belittle it. I mean, I could say that believing in the orthodox sequence of events as reported by the media on September 11th events is like believing in a "moronic conspiracy theory". Somedays, I feel like that. But, I'll keep reading. I want the truth. I'm not trying to start a religious following here, you people. I just like questioning everything, even if it's redundant, like questioning laws of the universe. It's just with this issue, there seems to be more questions than plausible answers. And further evidence has been either recycled, withheld, or classified in some form, and that's a shame, too.
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"Why Are We Still Here?"
by reporter inby patrick j. buchanan.
" asked the sergeant from the u.s. army's 4th infantry division, stationed north of baghdad.
"the war is supposed to be over, but every day we hear of another soldier getting killed.
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"Bring 'Em On?"
by reporter injuly 3, 2003.
a former special forces soldier responds to bush's invitation for iraqis to attack us troops
"bring 'em on?
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July 3, 2003
A Former Special Forces Soldier Responds to Bush's Invitation for Iraqis to Attack US Troops
"Bring 'Em On?"
By STAN GOFF
I n 1970, when I arrived at my unit, Company A, 4th Battalion/503rd Infantry, 173rd Airborne Brigade, in what was then the Republic of Vietnam, I was charged up for a fight. I believed that if we didn't stop the communists in Vietnam, we'd eventually be fighting this global conspiracy in the streets of Hot Springs, Arkansas. I'd been toughened by Basic Training, Infantry Training and Parachute Training, taught how to use my weapons and equipment, and I was confident in my ability to vanquish the skinny unter-menschen. So I was dismayed when one of my new colleagues--a veteran who'd been there ten months--told me, "We are losing this war."
Not only that, he said, if I wanted to survive for my one year there, I had to understand one very basic thing. All Vietnamese were the enemy, and for us, the grunts on the ground, this was a race war. Within one month, it was apparent that everything he told me was true, and that every reason that was being given to the American public for the war was not true.
We had a battalion commander whom I never saw. He would fly over in a Loach helicopter and give cavalier instructions to do things like "take your unit 13 kilometers to the north." In the Central Highlands, 13 kilometers is something we had to hack out with machetes, in 98-degree heat, carrying sometimes 90 pounds over our body weights, over steep, slippery terrain. The battalion commander never picked up a machete as far as we knew, and after these directives he'd fly back to an air-conditioned headquarters in LZ English near Bong-son. We often fantasized together about shooting his helicopter down as a way of relieving our deep resentment against this faceless, starched and spit-shined despot.
Yesterday, when I read that US Commander-in-Chief George W. Bush, in a moment of blustering arm-chair machismo, sent a message to the 'non-existent' Iraqi guerrillas to "bring 'em on," the first image in my mind was a 20-year-old soldier in an ever-more-fragile marriage, who'd been away from home for 8 months. He participated in the initial invasion, and was told he'd be home for the 4th of July. He has a newfound familiarity with corpses, and everything he thought he knew last year is now under revision. He is sent out into the streets of Fallujah (or some other city), where he has already been shot at once or twice with automatic weapons or an RPG, and his nerves are raw. He is wearing Kevlar and ceramic body armor, a Kevlar helmet, a load carrying harness with ammunition, grenades, flex-cuffs, first-aid gear, water, and assorted other paraphernalia. His weapon weighs seven pounds, ten with a double magazine. His boots are bloused, and his long-sleeve shirt is buttoned at the wrist. It is between 100-110 degrees Fahrenheit at midday. He's been eating MRE's three times a day, when he has an appetite in this heat, and even his urine is beginning to smell like preservatives. Mosquitoes and sand flies plague him in the evenings, and he probably pulls a guard shift every night, never sleeping straight through. He and his comrades are beginning to get on each others' nerves. The rumors of 'going-home, not-going-home' are keeping him on an emotional roller coaster. Directives from on high are contradictory, confusing, and often stupid. The whole population seems hostile to him and he is developing a deep animosity for Iraq and all its people--as well as for official narratives.
This is the lad who will hear from someone that George W. Bush, dressed in a suit with a belly full of rich food, just hurled a manly taunt from a 72-degree studio at the 'non-existent' Iraqi resistance.
This de facto president is finally seeing his poll numbers fall. Even chauvinist paranoia has a half-life, it seems. His legitimacy is being eroded as even the mainstream press has discovered now that the pretext for the war was a lie. It may have been control over the oil, after all. Anti-war forces are regrouping as an anti-occupation movement. Now, exercising his one true talent--blundering--George W. Bush has begun the improbable process of alienating the very troops upon whom he depends to carry out the neo-con ambition of restructuring the world by arms.
Somewhere in Balad, or Fallujah, or Baghdad, there is a soldier telling a new replacement, "We are losing this war."
Stan Goff is the author of "Hideous Dream: A Soldier's Memoir of the US Invasion of Haiti" (Soft Skull Press, 2000) and of the upcoming book "Full Spectrum Disorder" (Soft Skull Press, 2003). He retired in 1996 from the US Army, from 3rd Special Forces. He lives in Raleigh.
He can be reached at: [email protected]
