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Michael Jackson's Mom/Firpo Carr/William's Sister

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how can "active" jws such as mj's mom, firpo carr and the william's sister who attended mjs support party, openly support him (because he is an exjw) without getting reproved or disfellowshipped by the organization?

i know that we don't see what goes on behind the scenes, perhaps the do get a "talking to" by the elders, but it seems lately that certain active jws are more bold about associating openly with exjws.. has anyone ever read anything about mjs mom's justification of her on-going relationship with mj?

i realize that situations like this (jws associating with exjws) go on all the time in the organization; it is nothing new.

ExpandedMind

Hi, Amazing, SaintSatan and Mulan!

Amazing, I think you're correct when you wrote: "they are well known and at any moment can be in the media ... and that spotlight alone seems to restrain the Watchtower goons." That may even be the case with Greg Stafford not being DF'd (unless something has happened recently). Maybe the Watchtower Society realizes that to take action against these persons who are prominent, would unleash MORE negative information about the Society.

I don't wish any backlash on any of these persons. Maybe they are acting according to their conscience and feel that whatever happens, so be it. It just seems a bit unfair that the "rank and file" can't (openly) do the same, at least not without a more immediate response from the elders.

SaintSatan and Mulan, I am not positive about the Williams sisters... I read an article that indicated they go door to door (or at at one point did) but that doesn't necessarily mean they are baptized. But I do believe that other articles I've read about Firpo Carr indicate he is a JW.

Thanks for your responses!

ExpandedMind

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Michael Jackson's Mom/Firpo Carr/William's Sister

by ExpandedMind in

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how can "active" jws such as mj's mom, firpo carr and the william's sister who attended mjs support party, openly support him (because he is an exjw) without getting reproved or disfellowshipped by the organization?

i know that we don't see what goes on behind the scenes, perhaps the do get a "talking to" by the elders, but it seems lately that certain active jws are more bold about associating openly with exjws.. has anyone ever read anything about mjs mom's justification of her on-going relationship with mj?

i realize that situations like this (jws associating with exjws) go on all the time in the organization; it is nothing new.

ExpandedMind

Hi!

How can "active" JWs such as MJ's Mom, Firpo Carr and the William's sister who attended MJs support party, openly support him (because he is an exJW) without getting reproved or disfellowshipped by the organization? I know that we don't see what goes on behind the scenes, perhaps the do get a "talking to" by the elders, but it seems lately that certain active JWs are more bold about associating openly with exJWs.

Has anyone ever read anything about MJs Mom's justification of her on-going relationship with MJ? Or the others? I realize that situations like this (JWs associating with exJWs) go on all the time in the organization; it is nothing new. But you'd think that "faithful" JWs, like MJs Mom, would be fearful of the repercussions of openly supporting him.

Thanks!

ExpandedMind

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Anyone know Denise or Patty Lorden?

by ExpandedMind in

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they were originally from the chicago il area.. thanks!.

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ExpandedMind

Hello again!

They were originally from the Chicago IL area.

Thanks!

ExpandedMind

Anyone know Dan & Cheryl Scheller?

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i believe they live in florida, possibly daytona beach?.

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ExpandedMind

Hi!

I believe they live in Florida, possibly Daytona Beach?

ExpandedMind

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Colon Cancer Treatment

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yesterday i found out that my best friend has colon cancer.

they removed what they could of the tumor, during the colonoscopy, but my friend now needs to wait another 8 days until the inflamation goes down until an ultrasound can be done to see how much remains and also to check to see if the lymph nodes are enlarged.

she knows that she will need to have surgery to remove the section of intestine that has the cancer, but they don't yet know what "stage" it is at.

ExpandedMind

Dear Warrigal, Francois and TS,

Thank you so much for your thoughts and this information. We will be reviewing each and every bit of information received to help my friend make the best decisions.

I really appreciate your taking the time to post and for getting back to me.

Sincerely,

ExpandedMind

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Colon Cancer Treatment

by ExpandedMind in

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friends

yesterday i found out that my best friend has colon cancer.

they removed what they could of the tumor, during the colonoscopy, but my friend now needs to wait another 8 days until the inflamation goes down until an ultrasound can be done to see how much remains and also to check to see if the lymph nodes are enlarged.

she knows that she will need to have surgery to remove the section of intestine that has the cancer, but they don't yet know what "stage" it is at.

ExpandedMind

Hi...

Yesterday I found out that my best friend has colon cancer. They removed what they could of the tumor, during the colonoscopy, but my friend now needs to wait another 8 days until the inflamation goes down until an ultrasound can be done to see how much remains and also to check to see if the lymph nodes are enlarged. She knows that she will need to have surgery to remove the section of intestine that has the cancer, but they don't yet know what "stage" it is at.

Has anyone here been treated for colon cancer? Or assisted a friend or a loved one to find the best doctors, surgeons, etc? Has anyone here heard of Cancer Centers of America and know if they are reputable? Their philosophy is to treat the whole person and you are tended to by (from what I understand) a regular doctor, an oncologist, a naturopath, nutritionist and a psychologist who all work together to plan the treatment. You are treated at the center and when strong enough to leave, you go home to recupe until the next treatment is due.

I almost don't know what questions to ask... any input at all would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you so much!

ExpandedMind

PS: I apologize if this is the wrong category to post this in, but it seems this may be the most widely read category and I need as much help as possible.

"The mind, once expanded to the dimensions of larger ideas, never returns to its original size." --- Oliver Wendell Holmes

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Michael Jackson's Mother

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good morning!

this past week, on fox, there was another documentary about mj.

after seeing some advertisements about the presentation that indicated that mjs mother would be on the program, i was interested in seeing what comments, if any, she would make about mj.

ExpandedMind

Good Morning!

This past week, on Fox, there was another documentary about MJ. After seeing some advertisements about the presentation that indicated that MJs mother would be on the program, I was interested in seeing what comments, if any, she would make about MJ. Another thing I found interesting, is that a couple of years ago, there was a Birthday tribute to MJ that was televised, and him mother was in the audience.

The scenes that MJs mother made comments, were kind of generic. But still, her being on the program at all, shows she still "supports" him, at least to a degree.

It appears from other things I have read, that they still have a close relationship. And that is how it should be. No parent should be forced by a religious group to shun a child. From that standpoint, I say more power to her. But we all know that, if she is still a Witness, she should not have participated in either show. Or am I missing something?

Has anyone heard or read anything about how she justifies this from her religious perspective? Do you think she might be given special treatment from her elders? Does anyone know if any of the Jackson "children" are still Witnesses?

ExpandedMind

"The mind, once expanded to the dimensions of larger ideas, never returns to its original size." --- Oliver Wendell Holmes

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Gred Stafford Not committed--too afraid of being DFd!

by cyberguy in

ive just completed the reading of greg staffords latest book, "the three dissertations on the teachings of jehovahs witnesses.

" although i appreciate his point-of-view overall, i find that his writing is often difficult to follow and at worst, not forthright on doctrinal issues.

basically, i find his writings rather anemic, hes just not forthright; he evidently doesnt want to be dfd!

ExpandedMind

Writing a book like Greg Stafford did, is like journalling... you can only write about what you currently think on the subject (unless you are choosing to write fiction, in which case you can write whatever you wish). I am sure that if Greg wrote about the same subject matter again at a later time it would show a change in thought. Just look at books that are reprinted and are "updated".

If Greg's hope is to see reform in the Watchtower, then I am all for it. I am certain that his views reflect the views of many of Jehovah's Witnesses that are still actively associated. If reform is possible, especially on certain issues such as "shunning" (not that this is a major issue to everyone, but it is to me since I have friends and family that I would love to be with) then I hope the move for reform catches on like "wildfire"!

SHERWOOD: you indicate you have read Greg's response to the incident where some believe he was writing posts using two different names... can you locate that response and post it? Thanks!

ExpandedMind

"The mind, once expanded to the dimensions of larger ideas, never returns to its original size." --- Oliver Wendell Holmes

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E-Watchman Judge for yourself

by uriah in

recently i posted a thread "e-watchman - what's his game".

he hasd replied as posted below.. my opinion remains the same, that he answers a question you haven't asked.. what say any of you?.

this is not my question but one i read on jw.com and which i feel deserves an answer.

ExpandedMind

Hi, Uriah!

Just wanted to let you know I just saw your post on the earlier thread about E-Watchman. But this morning I visited the E Watchman site and saw that "someone" had asked "him" the question directly (I didn't know it was you! <smile!>) and thought, GREAT! Let's see if he answers the question directly.

Sadly, he didn't, as anyone who reads the answer can see.

Just wanted to "thank you" for trying!

ExpandedMind

"The mind, once expanded to the dimensions of larger ideas, never returns to its original size." --- Oliver Wendell Holmes

PS: I don't know what happened, but it looks as if there are going to be many "blank" posts from me! Something happened, the screen went "funny" and all of a sudden I saw all these blank posts from me. My apologies!

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E-Watchman Judge for yourself

by uriah in

recently i posted a thread "e-watchman - what's his game".

he hasd replied as posted below.. my opinion remains the same, that he answers a question you haven't asked.. what say any of you?.

this is not my question but one i read on jw.com and which i feel deserves an answer.