Posts by logansrun

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Simon

by KGB in

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please remove me from this site, i am tired of the sarcasm and the insults simply because i choose to believe in god after leaving the borg.

i am beginning to believe that the borg was a better place than this site because i never once endured what i have had to endure here with certain individuals.

it seems that it is ok for some to criticize others here but when you stand up for what you believe in the shit just gets deeper.

logansrun

Aw, don't leave KGB! You add a comedic element to this site which would be sorely missed.

Bradley

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The absurdity of petitionary prayer

by logansrun in

of all the neurotic and irrational ideas religion has come up with, the notion that god(s) intervenes in the flow of natural events due to a human's prayer has got to be one of the craziest.

let us illustrate the lunacy of the situation.

you have, in your possession, a serum that will either cure the child or at least lessen his pain.

logansrun

Gosh, I just wanted to say that I love you people.

Bradley

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SCIENCE EVOLUTION WEIRDOS

by frenchbabyface in

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science evolution weirdos

had a talk yesterday with my son, ive read a book where the guy was talking about the australopithecus its weird how scientists are dealing with evolution statements.

it says that actually the australopithecus was less intelligent

logansrun

Interesting herk still has not enlightened us as to what books he has read by evolutionists. Such a simple request and all I get is static....ah, well.

Bradley

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SCIENCE EVOLUTION WEIRDOS

by frenchbabyface in

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science evolution weirdos

had a talk yesterday with my son, ive read a book where the guy was talking about the australopithecus its weird how scientists are dealing with evolution statements.

it says that actually the australopithecus was less intelligent

You picked my one off color phrase -- "total bullshit" and use it to categorize not only my entire post but all evolutionists. You ignored every single point in my reply including the very easy answer to what books by evolutionists you have read. If you are going to argue I will expect better than that.

Bradley

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The absurdity of petitionary prayer

by logansrun in

of all the neurotic and irrational ideas religion has come up with, the notion that god(s) intervenes in the flow of natural events due to a human's prayer has got to be one of the craziest.

let us illustrate the lunacy of the situation.

you have, in your possession, a serum that will either cure the child or at least lessen his pain.

logansrun

Little Toe,

Stop, once in a while, and you may get answers instead of just questions

NIce pithy saying, LT. You see, I tried the "just wait and see" attitude for a long time. JW's are pretty good at that. I asked God for ball of flame to appear before me once, just so that I could see He was there. Nope -- flameless. I tried asking God for a lot of other things like can he help me with my "secret sins" **snicker**. Seems I got my prayers answered about as much when I was praying to God as when I was praying to Ringo Starr.

Those who have a "personal God" (rather than a distant JW one) generally seem to have less questions than yourself.

Ah, the 'ol "you weren't a real Christian" routine. Sorry, the JWs are many things, but many (most?) of them do view Jehovah as having a personal impact on their life and their prayers. Did I happen to mention they also are delusional?

I'd suggest that that is through contentment rather than ignorance.

I'd suggest that it is through magic mushrooms.

Maybe the big guy will ease up on you and give you a spiritual experience of your own...
...what do you think it would take, for you personally?

How's about a fully formed long-legged vixen to miraculously appear in my room tonight. I'll be waiting....hehe. (Seriously, I did ask God for a sign many times, like I said. Seems the Old Man just doesn't perform the miracles he used to)

You already agree that the human mind is an incredible thing - why doesn't the idea of a large number of people focussing on the same thing, inspire you with hope?

What inspires me with hope is people using their brains in a productive manner. Yes, the mind is complex, but it must obey the rules of the laws of Nature. I don't believe in ESP either, mind you.

Regardless of whether you believe God did it or not, it has been known to happen.

Really? Where? When? Whom?

In addition, your maligning comments don't add up, when you consider individual petitions. I'd reckon on a pretty good score, when it comes to God answering my prayers.

Well, I probably won't win an argument with you here since you seem quite set in your beliefs. Yes, it just might be true but don't you think I have asked some pretty darn good questions that you fail to approach with a mile-long pole? And don't get me started on how we can fool ourselves.....

Btw, what's abs-rudity? the absence of rudeness?

Haha...I changed the title of the thread. Thanks.

Bradley

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SCIENCE EVOLUTION WEIRDOS

by frenchbabyface in

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science evolution weirdos

had a talk yesterday with my son, ive read a book where the guy was talking about the australopithecus its weird how scientists are dealing with evolution statements.

it says that actually the australopithecus was less intelligent

logansrun

BIBLE or SCIENTISTS … DO THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT ?

I think a better question is, do you know what you are talking about?

Bradley

Okay, I know that was a cheap-shot but I just couldn't resist.

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John 1:1 for nonbelievers.....

by logansrun in

i've often felt that the most objective person in a situation is the one who has no stake in the outcome.

this holds true to religious issues as well.

we all know freddie franz translated john 1:1 as "the word was [a] god" and the rest of the christian world flew through the roof.

logansrun

Thanks Alan. Your synopsis of the issue was quite clear. Regardless of the actual meaning of John 1:1 I must conclude that the Johanine author did wish to express that Jesus was something much greater than how he is portrayed in the synoptic gospels. I say this, not just because of the opening verse, but due to other references throughout the book -- the "I AM" statements, Thomas saying "My Lord and my God" and the pharisees wishing to kill Jesus because he "makes himself God." I'm not sure if he (or she) had a full-blown trinitarian concept in mind, but Jesus definitely was on his way towards full deification.

Thanks.

Bradley

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SCIENCE EVOLUTION WEIRDOS

by frenchbabyface in

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science evolution weirdos

had a talk yesterday with my son, ive read a book where the guy was talking about the australopithecus its weird how scientists are dealing with evolution statements.

it says that actually the australopithecus was less intelligent

logansrun

herk,

It seems to me that if feet and hands started to develop in an ancient animal because it felt a need for them, we should see such development of other "add-ons" going on right now. No matter how much we may want them, none of us can focus our concentration so much as to start developing wings, or the long-distance vision of an eagle, or the ability to see at night like an owl, or to make our way through the dark using sonar like a bat, etc.

No scientist believes that evolution is caused by thinking about "adding on" new features. None. Blind genetic mutation accompanied by a selecting agency -- nature red in tooth and claw -- account for evolutionary adaptation, and this over millions upon millions of years. Not to mention symbiosis at the cellular level and sexual selection. It seems you know not a thing about evolutionary biology.

Additionally, everywhere people, plants and animals are constantly dying. They grow through a stage of advancement from youth to maturity, but then their lives ebb and decline. If evolution were true, it seems to me, there would not be this receding into extinction. If life was originally sparked into existence eons ago, it would have died before very long, just as living things do now. No living things live long enough to advance into something better. Instead of advancing to a newer and better stage of development, they devolve into something inferior to what they were when they began until they finally die.

What the hell are you taking about? "If life was originally sparked into existence eons ago, it would have died before very long, just as living things do now." Ever hear of reproduction? No individual organism on it's own evolves. It's populations over time that evolve.

Old cars may still run, but eventually they deteriorate into a heap of rust and useless metal. They don't of themselves sprout new tires, a new engine, a new paint job, etc. Old trees don't develop thinking ability. When they sprout their final crop of seeds, they don't pass on intelligence to any trees that sprout from those seeds. I have a neighbour whose dog sounds like he can talk. He's been trained to sing, and it does sound almost like a human. But when the dog dies, her ability to sing will die with her. Any puppies she has will not know how to sing without being trained, and their ability, in turn, will die with them. The same is true of us humans. We have kids, but those kids have to start from the very beginning just as we did. They don't immediately know instinctively all that we learned as we walked through life. And they don't inherit any skills that we developed. No matter how much we yearned to sprout wings so that we might fly, they won't be born with that same yearning. Whatever they become, they have to start from scratch as we did and grow for themselves.

Here's a little puzzle for you high-school biology enthusiasts: How many straw-man arguments does "herk" use in this paragraph?

I honestly don't think I'm being stubborn about this. I've read several books that promote the idea of evolution, with the thought that maybe I'm missing something that might enlighten me. At this stage, I see evolution as simply another religion invented by humans. It's just another dogma that fills a need for some.

Total bullshit. You don't know what you are talking about. What are some of the "several books that promote the idea of evolution" that you have read? No, really -- I want to know. Name the titles and authors and what you didn't understand in their argument. After that, take a look at Richard Dawkins' "
The Blind Watchmaker" and Ernst Meyer's "What Evolution Is." Or just go to www.talkorigns.org and you will see not only the arguments for evolution simply explained, but also the arguments against the oxymoronic "Creation science."

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Is there one thing that convinces you that the JW's are wrong ???

by run dont walk in

doctrines, people, elders, family, beliefs, is there a certain thing that convinces you they are wrong ???.

had a discussion with my mom the other day and she asked "how can you be so sure they are wrong ?".

i picked two topics that i had not talked to her about ( already said the pedophile, un, generation stuff.).

logansrun

I hated the food.

Bradley

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The absurdity of petitionary prayer

by logansrun in

of all the neurotic and irrational ideas religion has come up with, the notion that god(s) intervenes in the flow of natural events due to a human's prayer has got to be one of the craziest.

let us illustrate the lunacy of the situation.

you have, in your possession, a serum that will either cure the child or at least lessen his pain.

logansrun

Would not praying for humility, faith or any other quality diminish our free will as well? If God gives me "extra faith" because I pray to him doesn't that take away what I would have accomplished on my own? Why would he be pleased with me if he directly gave me something which I did not possess?

The questions just keep on coming when you believe in a personal God.

Bradley