I do wonder if regional differences play a role here. Outside of contexts that are designed to prompt religious discussion (I.e. This forum, the JW preaching work) I think the only person who ever made a serious attempt to change my mind on religion was an American Mormon. I think perhaps British people are quite reserved in this respect, and I can believe Hortensia's experiences are different to my own.
Posts by Laika
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219An important difference between atheists and true believers
by Hortensia intrue believers, whether christian, muslim or whatever, want to convert you, they want you to believe what they do, and they're willing to go to extremes to make it happen.
atheists don't really care what you believe, and don't go out of their way to convert someone.. http://ow.ly/vn1jz an example of what believers in power do to suppress any difference in thought.
http://ow.ly/vraeo an example of why believers want to suppress different ideas (because they can't win in a fair fight, that's why).
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Letter to BOE: Adjustment in process for appointing elders and ministerial servants
by pixel inhello, you read it here first!.
governing body of jehovah's witnesses.
to all congregations.
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Laika
My Dad was pushed off as an elder because he wasn't doing enough for the Congregation (he'd stepped down from giving talks) by the Co. I think most would have let him off with this so it could be quite arbitrary.
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Serious subject - How to cut your alcohol consumption?
by quellycatface in.
how can i cut down without going teetotal?
i love the taste of wine, i'm not fussed with other drinks but just need to rein in it a bit.. going wine-free tonight and tomorrow, as i'm out socially.. i also need to shift a few pounds.. thank you, everyone..
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Laika
Reduce your access to it by getting rid of all/most of the bottles you might have around the house and buying less when you go grocery shopping.
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An important difference between atheists and true believers
by Hortensia intrue believers, whether christian, muslim or whatever, want to convert you, they want you to believe what they do, and they're willing to go to extremes to make it happen.
atheists don't really care what you believe, and don't go out of their way to convert someone.. http://ow.ly/vn1jz an example of what believers in power do to suppress any difference in thought.
http://ow.ly/vraeo an example of why believers want to suppress different ideas (because they can't win in a fair fight, that's why).
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Laika
I'm sure Hitchens never said he wanted to see religion banned though his hatred of religion did prompt him to support violence as a useful tool to oppose it I.e support for Iraq war and torture.
The same is true of Sam Harris, however in fairness Dawkins has always been far, far better on this issue.
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An important difference between atheists and true believers
by Hortensia intrue believers, whether christian, muslim or whatever, want to convert you, they want you to believe what they do, and they're willing to go to extremes to make it happen.
atheists don't really care what you believe, and don't go out of their way to convert someone.. http://ow.ly/vn1jz an example of what believers in power do to suppress any difference in thought.
http://ow.ly/vraeo an example of why believers want to suppress different ideas (because they can't win in a fair fight, that's why).
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Laika
Who is Julian? Is he a member here?
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Response To ENTIRE "Bible Teach" Book!
by Watchtower-Free infrom the snarky apologist.
https://ia600305.us.archive.org/7/items/responsetowhatdoesthebiblereallyteach/response_to_what_does_the_bible_really_teach.pdf.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nntsobk6jee .
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Laika
That response said Charles T Russell was never baptised as an adult, does anyone know if that's true?
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Dawkins-The Greatest Show on Earth
by KateWild inas many may be aware.
i don't like the man.
but i have chosen to review the first chapter of his book.. chapter 1... only a theory?.
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Laika
I believe Jesus is a real, living person. I don't think this belief automatically makes me deserving of respect, or that it's wrong for anyone to express disagreement with me. I refuse to accept however that this makes me a potentially abusive parent, partially responsible for Westboro Baptist Church homophobia and abortion clinic bombing, or deserving of contempt in public.
When I was in school some people mocked me for being a JW, even though I no longer believe pretty much everything I did back then, I still wouldn't wish that treatment on anyone, not even Dawkins.
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Dawkins-The Greatest Show on Earth
by KateWild inas many may be aware.
i don't like the man.
but i have chosen to review the first chapter of his book.. chapter 1... only a theory?.
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Laika
Shaming and mocking people in public is bullying. I like to hope that people who constantly lecture others on morality would not buy into this.
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Dawkins-The Greatest Show on Earth
by KateWild inas many may be aware.
i don't like the man.
but i have chosen to review the first chapter of his book.. chapter 1... only a theory?.
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Laika
Viv, so we can't call out bullying because someone else said something cruel to you? *confusing*
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So I got called on today...
by Thumblina inpoor sod.
i felt quite sorry for him in the end.. for context, i was brought up as a jw since i was very young.
i left 6 years ago (faded) a little before turning 30. i was on here a lot around that time but under a different profile that's no longer active.. for the past 18 months, i'm back living in the territory of the congregation i grew up in.
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Laika
Was he on his own when he called on you? I suspect he would have rushed off if he'd had a partner.
I'd have thought if you were going to narrow down your religious search to two groups they'd be relatively similar, JWs and scientologists might have similar control tactics but the beliefs are wildly different!