yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.
we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.
they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
How does a world with an ignorant or weak god look any different from a world with no god? What makes a god of this sort worthy of our attention.
This kind of god would still be very worthy of our attention wouldn't it? At least from a scientific standpoint.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cncehcvrvgq.
Thanks for the response Tammy, where I was looking for clarification, I assume you believe Christ/the spirit spoke to the apostles and even the prophets pre-christ, so I didn't understand why you would disagree with their words in the bible as they should be at least as equally knowledgeable.
Does this mean you think all the original bible writers wrote truth but that some of the later translators didn't so we don't have original copies?
yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.
we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.
they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
Eden, thanks for the clarification, I don't think I was too far away from your point, the reason I called it the 'prodigal son' defense was because the Father in that parable was not really 'punishing' the son by fulfilling his request, simply 'allowing nature to run its course' as you say.
Edit: I'm not sure I'd say it's effectively the JW position either, in the sense that I didn't get from Eden that he thought god was doing it to prove a point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cncehcvrvgq.
Tammy, do you believe that everything in the bible is true or that it includes some false teachings? Or, more specifically, what about in the NT?
yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.
we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.
they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
Eden, are you trying to say that since the rebellion/fall God gave humans what they wanted I.e. To act as the God of their own world?
I call this the 'prodigal son' defense, I'd heard it before and was surprised it hadn't made the summary list yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cncehcvrvgq.
"I suspect that is because you hear someone else besides the real Christ. (I'm truely sorry that you haven't been brought by God to realization of this)"
Lol. :)
There's more to it than that, I.e. community and tribal identity.
yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.
we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.
they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
Eden, I was explaining the problem of evil as dealt with by most open theists. You can take it any direction you want, but I suppose open theists would argue that God tries to prevent evil because they think he's nice like that.
yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.
we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.
they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.
Eden, preaching is not the same as debating.
In open theism god sees the future as a set of possibilities rather than as a certainty, so he would have been aware of the possibility of the tsunami but not the Certainty. He would then try to prevent it through persuasion instead of coercion as coercion might necessitate destruction of the force behind the evil and leave open no hope of redemption. I found this compelling until I read the brothers kamarazov.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cncehcvrvgq.
To give unstoppable a helping hand as well, he's a Calvinist so the idea of Jesus 'knocking on the door of your heart' is, I suspect, what he takes issue with. (in Calvinist theology Jesus doesn't ask, he just breaks down the door)
