Posts by RevFrank

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Has anyone ever been to a Christadelphian meeting?

by twinkletoes in

since i have been out of the jws, i have found the freedom to look into other beliefs.

i remember when i was in the org.

how they used to say that the christadelphians are so similar in beliefs to the jws that they must be controlled by satan, especially as they do not beleive in satan as a person/individual.

RevFrank

Why does one need to change their belief for another? How about just having faith in the Savior of the World?

Where does it say that one must have a belief in anything? Or you must rely on a religion(s)?

"And Elijah came to all the people and said, `How long will you falter between tow opinions? If the LORD is GOD, follow Him; but if Baal, follow him.` But the people answered him not a word."(1 Kings 18:21)

And Christ said, "Then if anyone says to you, Look here is the Christ! or There.! do not believe it, for false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to decive, if possible, even the elect." (Matthew 24:23,24)

Only man tells man we must have a belief or a religion(s). No where in scripture does it state that the right religion will save you.

And just one more scripture as I leave......"Then they said to Him, What shall we do that we may work the works of God? Jesus answered and said to them, `This is the worf of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent."(John 6:28,29)

A thought...."Jesus said to them, `I am the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE, No one comes to the Father, except through Me."(John 14:6)

PEACE

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The Ressurection Hope.

by Daunt in

ok, i never understood this.

ok so the jw's believe that we should try to get all the people we can into the force so they can go to the new world.

but, there was a series of talks about the ressurection about a month ago, saying right after armeggedon we're going to be ressurected and continue living through the thousand year rain where people's scrolls will be wiped clean and satan and his demons won't be able to tempt us anymore.

RevFrank

YOU HEARD WHAT FROM WHOM? Now I've heard, almost, everything and this is a mouthful. I think the Watchtower wants to cover all their bases, as garybuss says. As for Augustine, all things are opinions, but one point....We all wait for the coming of the blessed hope that as Christ came He promised us He would call on us at the appointed time.

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WHAT ARE SOME GOOD SITES YOU GO ON.......................

by vitty in

jw
friends

ive been trying to thinks of ways to get my daughter and her husband on some internet sites without them becomming suspicious of me.

does anyone know or use any good factual, non threatning sites that will help them to open there eyes about the wt or the "truth" (doctrines and stuff).

i thought that if i could say something like "i saw a really interesting site today, and it said etc, etc".

RevFrank

My Favorite is http://www.jwtruth.com/article.asp?/articles/propheciesbyyear.htm

These are the prophecies that The Watchtower made.....

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Who is the Faithful and Discrete Slave?

by Etude in

recently, i've had memories about that topic, which i had suppressed for a long time.

my original question came up when i encountered a few members of the "anointed" in my congregation (we're talking almost 30 years ago).. there was one sister who partook of the "emblems" who had come from cuba.

i learned from her that her health was frail because she had smuggled some expensive jewelry in a condom and stuck it up her colon.

RevFrank

EDULE, According to my understanding, the christians are of the faithful slave(s),(my opinion), yet my opinion doesn't count as scripture states that Christ is the Faithful Slave.

POLE, gave an example by a link, http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/94909/1.ashx . But when I went to the link, ESTEPHANLEVESE, brought up another question in my mind.

If Jehovah God created all things, yet in John 1:2-3, tells us that Christ created all things. As a BAC, I agree. Yet it would be a huge paradox to any or all Jehovah Witnesses, because it would say that Christ is Jehovah God, which I agree....

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Another 607 / 587 BCE question, How do JW's fix the 20 years ??

by run dont walk in

ok, since all the evidence and people/scholars etc, all agree that jerusalem was destroyed in 587/586 bce and not 607 bce.

how do the jw's get the extra 20 years, i understand the 2520 years and going back from 1914. but alot of the proof goes by adding up the kings reigns, and it gets you to the 587/586 date, do jw's simply add on a few years for each king, or is their a mystery king that ruled for 20 years that only they know about.. hhhhhhmmmmmmm.

hope my question makes sense.

RevFrank

Watchtower doesn't have to prove anytrhing according to Bethel. either you accept the 607 thing or you won't be baptized. And if you doubt and you're a witness, don't go running to the Elders and ask.You might risk the commette and being Dfd.

History teaches us that 587 B.C. was the fall.....not 607. The watchtower has no verification on 607. That's what they depend upon. They know they will find plenty who'll believe it.

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hi

by bobbbb in

i thought this was an interesting take on the jw religion.

i'm not agreeing, i just thought it was interesting that someone could compile this information like so.

thanks a lot

RevFrank

John 14:26...The Holy Spirit is called, "HE."

Acts 5..you can't lie to a thing.......

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Can you refute these?

by Mary Phooty in

1. are jesus and michael the archangel really the same person?.

one of the most peculiar of the wtss teachings is their assertion that jesus is actually michael the archangel.

" in acts 10:19-20, this "impersonal force" considers himself to be a person.

RevFrank

Very good Mary......The jews knew that no man could forgive sins.Yet Jesus did. The jews acused him of being God. John 10:33. Jesus never refuted them.

AS for worship Hebews 1:6.....And in Matthew 2:2....the birth of Christ htey worshipped him.

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Why are beards so bad?

by bother_forever in

whats with the idelology behind jws that "bro's" with beards are undeserving of privledge and advacemet in their f**cked up org?

what jesus never had facial hair?

i remember hearing comments like " yes he's a lovely bro, but he'll not be used by the cong because he needs to shave his beard".

RevFrank

nothing wrong with them according to the old jewish law. The Torah( first 4 books of the Old Testament) spoke of maintaining their facial hair.......The Watchtower wants you to believe that Jesus was shaved. That's a lie. Jesus walked the earth, he had to maintain as an example of following the law of the Torah. HE had a beard.

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Apocalypse delayed again

by Hellrider in

i have not been in contact with jws since around 1988. i initially got out at the age of 15 in 1987, then there was some back-and-forth-crap, i went to some meetings, but then i was thru, in 1988. the only contact after that was one time, in 1989, when my grandmother died (she was a jw), and the service was held at kh.

anyway, the point here is: it was new to me that the wts is in the process of moving away from the 1914-doctrine.

and moving towards a more "liberal" kind of "well,never mind what we said about 1914, we are the last generation and the signs are there"-doctrine, without even trying to define whatever that means.

RevFrank

Just one more thought......the witnesses had their General Assembly this past week end out here in Lincoln Nebraska.

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Apocalypse delayed again

by Hellrider in

i have not been in contact with jws since around 1988. i initially got out at the age of 15 in 1987, then there was some back-and-forth-crap, i went to some meetings, but then i was thru, in 1988. the only contact after that was one time, in 1989, when my grandmother died (she was a jw), and the service was held at kh.

anyway, the point here is: it was new to me that the wts is in the process of moving away from the 1914-doctrine.

and moving towards a more "liberal" kind of "well,never mind what we said about 1914, we are the last generation and the signs are there"-doctrine, without even trying to define whatever that means.

RevFrank

So, Who's minding the store? This is nothing new to me. I left once in 1976 (1976 issue and the mediatorship) then again 1988. After that I've been following closely....Even in 1995 about dropping their main teaching on the issue of 1914 when they changed their publication in their AWAKE.

Ever wonder why I say that the Watchtower is a part of the antichrist?

I was never really planning to study ancient greek, Arabic, or hebrew until I began to study with the jehovah witnesses nor becoming a born again christian minister.

Today the elders, GB, nor Bethel will even talk to me. Well they might until they find out who I am..lol

Blessings