When I was in there were lots of people that never took the dip and stayed "studying" for years for a number of reasons already pointed out by previous posters. I do recall about 30 years ago or so the pressure from elders and COs and DOs and the Organization to get these people to either commit OR drop them. I recall getting pressure from elders to drop some studies if they had not committed after 6 months. The idea being that we were close to the end and we needed to spend energy on other people, and if they didn't "get it" in 6 months they never would.
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People who study for years ??
by Clambake inin my cong ( my wives cong.
) there is a lady who attends every meeting , minus the field service just like a regular dub.
it just seems odd she has not taken the dip yet.
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Jesus Christ explains the particle used in my cosmology theory using parables in the bible.
by Aleon ini wrote a cosmology theory using an expanding particle shaped as a perfect sphere.
in the bible jesus christ speaks of this particle in his parables.
this is good news!.
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Aleon, I was about to respond to you and point out a number of problems with how you responded to my suggestion to get your works peer reviewed. However, Viviane already hit the points better than I could have.
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Jesus Christ explains the particle used in my cosmology theory using parables in the bible.
by Aleon ini wrote a cosmology theory using an expanding particle shaped as a perfect sphere.
in the bible jesus christ speaks of this particle in his parables.
this is good news!.
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I read your article. You should so totally submit that for peer review to the scientific community and publishing. No, really. Seriously. If you have a theory that could upend what we know about cosmology, without needing mathematics, and clarifies all phenomena without the need to learn the cosmology theory, definitely submit it for peer review to the scientific community. If I was sitting on a possible answer to some of the greatest mysteries (and maybe pick up about 1/2 dozen Nobel Prizes in the process) I would not hesitate one minute. And, if you don't want fame, the benefits to mankind would be immense.
At the very least, if your quest is for truth and intellectual integrity, scientific peer review will help you determine if your theory and ideas are sound and have merit...or not.
Aleon - Einstein's theory of relativity also is a logical deduction. They cannot actually proof it.
Both Special and General relativity have been well-tested and validated by experiments and observations.
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If you could do anything publicly to get JWs out
by cognac inand money wasn't an issue, what would it be?
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cha ching beat me to it on the hacking idea. Although, you may be able to get it done for free if the Organization draws the attention and ire of "Anonymous" or some other hacktivist group. One can dream...
One idea that came to mind was a "Mission Impossible"-like operation where we would plant some agents in various strategic positions. Possibly even within the GB. They would then say crazy things, go off-script, protect criminals, double down on draconian policies, and generally undermine the JW's credibility to the point of waking some people up. But, come to think of it, maybe we don't need to do that as they seem to be doing a fine job of that already.
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Grieving for the Living
by StinkyPantz2.0 ini originally wrote this blog a few years ago, but yesterday a friend that is struggling to decide whether or not she will tell her family that she no longer accepts the jehovahs witness religious doctrine reminded me of it so i am re-sharing (with updates).. its not always completely freeing to come out of the closet (as an atheist in my case) and i wanted her to understand that.. i had a very strange realization recently: i dont know what its like to be someones adult child.
my parents didnt get the privilege of seeing me come of age.
i didnt get walked down the aisle when i got married.
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Thank you for your beautiful post. I've been grieving my parents and family for over 25 years.
I keep the following quote in mind. It's a small comfort on dark nights like tonight (my girlfriend and I are talking about getting married). Yet another thing I won't be able to share with them.
The bond that links your true family is not one of blood, but of respect and joy in each other's life. Rarely do members of one family grow up under the same roof.
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Why did Jesus have to die?
by Crazyguy inlet's think about this for a bit.
adam was tempted and sinned by eating of the fruit.
he missed out on immortality by being denied the tree of life.
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If you can consider a disbelief in God, Jesus, etc. (as I do), here's another explanation that may pop up:
You can look at the OT and pick out scriptures that make it seem like Jesus (The Messiah) was supposed to die as a ransom for all, etc. On the other hand, you can (as Jews do) look at the OT and pick out scriptures that make it seem like The Messiah was supposed to reestablish the nation of Israel, the temple, etc. Even the disciples (being Jewish) had this expectation. The earliest writings we have are at least 20 after his death so we don't have a truly contemporary record.
So, here is something to consider, is it possible the idea of "the ransom" was "new light"? In other words, could it be that the original disciples assumed Jesus was the Messiah (as the Jews expected), became disappointed when he died, and developed the idea of the "ransom" to explain his death?
Far fetched? We currently have the GB rewriting their history and beliefs as we speak. This is not the first or last religion to do so.
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Vertigo, WTH.
by James Mixon inwho here have suffer from vertigo?
if so how did you combat it?
how long.
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nicolaou2 minutes ago
Vertigo could be a symptom of something else. Don't take medical advice from a bunch of anonymous retards like us - go see your doctor.
I agree. I edited my original post to "Please go see a Doctor..."
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Vertigo, WTH.
by James Mixon inwho here have suffer from vertigo?
if so how did you combat it?
how long.
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Theists, why does God allow suffering..
by The Quiet One in..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
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LorenzoSmithXVII - But yes, there are many horrors that God permits.
You can stop right there. If he exists and is all powerful, why would he permit ANY horrors? I can come up with a number of scenarios where we could have avoided all of the suffering from the start. Can't you? I can come up with a number of ways so people could gain eternal life without passing through a sadistic rube-goldberg, "Hunger Games"-like, gauntlet. Can't you? I can come up with better ideas and laws he has (e.g. sanctioning of slavery, subjugation of women, genocide, etc.). Can't you? I can think of better ways to communicate the most important message in the history of the Universe clearly with mankind as opposed to using dead languages, hearsay, riddles, interpretations, etc. Can't you?
The God you describe is not only a "moral reprobate and a dick" to quote Viviane, but he lacks any imagination. I am better than your God. And, so are you because, if I substituted "God" with "Zeus" (or some other God that for some reason you do not worship) in your post, you would have found your explanation absurd and immoral.
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Jehovah's Witness meets a Born Again Christian on a Train. Oh and a Muslim
by passwordprotected ina couple of saturdays ago i and my girlfriend (who happens to be baptised into the greek orthodox religion, but practises greek catholic...no, she's not greek) were on the virgin train from glasgow to london.. we had reserved seats on the quiet zone of the train, because y'know, a 5 hour train journey shouldn't be sullied by mobile phones ringing and noisy conversations.. somewhere around the lake district a very tall woman sits at the table across the carriage from us, a table already occupied by a very chatty, bearded man in his late 50s, along with his wife.
this man was directing people where to stow their luggage and asking random travellers questions about their journey to the point where i sent my girlfriend a text message (easier to communicate that way without others overhearing us) asking if he was the "train boss".. he struck up a conversation with this new passenger about his travels, but i wasn't really paying attention as i was watching a movie on my ipad, wearing noise cancelling headphones.
after a little while i noticed they'd stopped chatting and the woman was now reading.
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LOL! I thought the post was an intro to a joke too...
Maybe put a thought bubble over each person that says:
"My God is good. My holy book is from God. My religion is the true religion. I am special. Everyone else who doesn't believe what I do is going to meet a horrible end. Only my people will be saved. Why can't everyone see it as I do?"
If it wasn't so tragic, it would be funny.