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  JW terminology

  by punkofnice in

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  paradise earth after god kills all non jws.

  paradise earth after god kills all non jws.

  paradise earth after god kills all non jws.

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  punkofnice, I really like the "Devil's Dictionary" you are putting together.

  Overlapping Generation - A "virtual" generation comprised of the generation that wouldn't die (and did) and the JWs that have not died, yet.
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  Parents under fire for failing to allow lifesaving blood transfusion to terminally ill son

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/06/11/19/06/parents-under-fire-for-failing-to-allow-lifesaving-blood-transfusion-to-terminally-ill-son.

  there is a video that can be seen at the above link that is worth watching.. the andersons.

  7:10pm june 11, 2015 parents under fire for failing to allow lifesaving blood transfusion to terminally ill son.

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  Thanks, OUTLAW. I really needed to laugh. Sometimes I have to laugh not to fall apart.

  My sister died 5 years ago due to WT doctrine and policies. All the senseless deaths in the past. And, what is to come...

  "I believe in monsters and things that go bump in the night... May they rot in Hell, along with their attorneys." Law and Order
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  Governing Body Mandating That Parents Shun DF'd Preteens Baptized Children Will Hurt Them Big Time In The Courts

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

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  2. child-abuse

  as the bad conduct of the governing body becomes widely known to both judge and jury i expect that will make lawsuits more profitable against them and easier wins against them and more plentiful.. i think probably one of the most damming videos out there on the net is the one where the parents show their loyalty to the wt corporation and shun their own flesh and blood in obedience to it cruel directives.

  this video truely shows that the governing body don't give a shit about the children who symbolize their dedication to the corporation or their parents.. such a self serving corporation that uses it members for profits only and offer nothing in return no matter how much how much they claim otherwise.

  they can't hide this it is plain as day so no matter how much they claim they are concerned about the youth in the organization their action thunder loudly and can not be hiden under a basket.

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  umertoecho - I don't think she believes herself deep inside; just used as a propaganda tactic by the society. I'm betting this woman will end up leaving and I can't justify why I feel this way.

  I think you might be right and, like you, I don't know why. I have watched the video a number of times. It could be she is nervous being up there, but it doesn't feel right. I think she, like other JWs out there, may be desperately trying to keep cognitive dissonance from shattering her world into little pieces. She seems like she is barely holding it together. There may be a war going on inside her between her natural human instincts for her child and the need to unquestionably follow the Organization. Deep inside her there might be a bit of humanity left, but I don't hold out any hope. I feel for them because they have been indoctrinated to "just follow orders", but I doubt history will be as kind.

  Also, I may be reading too much into it, but they don't seem particularly happy with each other. Trouble in paradise?
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  Disfellowshipping Image

  by naazira in

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  this photo can be found in the april 15 , study edition article titled:.

  why disfellowshipping is a loving provision.

  just by looking at this image we can see how quickly the barrier between the congregation and former member is put up, after the announcement that this sister is no longer one of jehovah's witneses.

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  The dress shows her bare arms entirely... Shocking! Tsk, tsk...How immodest. Next time they'll have a picture with a disfellowshipped brother in a tight suit...
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  Governing Body Mandating That Parents Shun DF'd Preteens Baptized Children Will Hurt Them Big Time In The Courts

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  as the bad conduct of the governing body becomes widely known to both judge and jury i expect that will make lawsuits more profitable against them and easier wins against them and more plentiful.. i think probably one of the most damming videos out there on the net is the one where the parents show their loyalty to the wt corporation and shun their own flesh and blood in obedience to it cruel directives.

  this video truely shows that the governing body don't give a shit about the children who symbolize their dedication to the corporation or their parents.. such a self serving corporation that uses it members for profits only and offer nothing in return no matter how much how much they claim otherwise.

  they can't hide this it is plain as day so no matter how much they claim they are concerned about the youth in the organization their action thunder loudly and can not be hiden under a basket.

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  sparrowdown - When does shunning become a human rights violation?

  A case can be made that what the JWs do is a violation of Human Rights...In fact, I believe some people may be trying to make the case officially or have already tried.

  United Nations Declaration of Human Rights:

  Article 12.
  

  • No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

  Article 18.

  • Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

  Added the following after I posted, which may or may not be another infringed right:

  Article 27.

  • (1) Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.
  • (2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.
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  Is 2 feet + 3 meters= 5 meters? Jehovah's witnesses say yes it is!

  by quincemyles in

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  2. beliefs

  have you noticed that adding 607 b.c.e roman/gregorian years to 2520 jewish biblical/prophetic years to get 1914 roman/gregorian years c.e is like adding 2 feet + 3 meters= 5 meters?.

  the insights volume ii under heading year, mentions that a bible or prophetic year is reckoned to have 360 days.

  many other publications indicate that a prophetic year is 360 days long.

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  Yes. And, I totally missed that problem when I was in and it wasn't until years later that I was looking up stuff I used to believe that I saw it. It was a glaring error. I could not understand how such an obvious problem had escaped me at the time.

  It reminds me of the Mars Climate Orbiter disaster:

  "...on September 23, 1999, communication with the spacecraft was lost as the spacecraft went into orbital insertion, due to ground-based computer software which produced output in non-SI units of pound-seconds (lbf×s) instead of the metric units of newton-seconds (N×s) specified in the contract between NASA and Lockheed. The spacecraft encountered Mars on a trajectory that brought it too close to the planet, causing it to pass through the upper atmosphere and disintegrate"
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  If shunning was a conscience matter?

  by aintenoughwiskey in

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  what do you think the reaction would be?

  i would say a small portion (single digit) would walk.

  no loss for the borg, they weren't donating anyway.

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  steve2 - For these Witnesses, shunning is an action that can never be overdone.

  Absolutely true. As you pointed, there are plenty (including my family) that at some level "relish the act of shunning". JWs are definitely of the mindset of "suffering as a virtue". When the name is announced from the podium there is both sadness and relief (Yay! it wasn't me!) and a smug sense of superiority.

  And, if my family stopped shunning because it became a matter of conscience, I am not sure I would want them in my life again. I have had over 25 years of being kicked around like a soccer ball every time they relax or tighten their stance on shunning. Why would I want relationships to be dictated by the next talk or magazine article? There are better people out there just about anywhere else.
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  Governing Body Mandating That Parents Shun DF'd Preteens Baptized Children Will Hurt Them Big Time In The Courts

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  as the bad conduct of the governing body becomes widely known to both judge and jury i expect that will make lawsuits more profitable against them and easier wins against them and more plentiful.. i think probably one of the most damming videos out there on the net is the one where the parents show their loyalty to the wt corporation and shun their own flesh and blood in obedience to it cruel directives.

  this video truely shows that the governing body don't give a shit about the children who symbolize their dedication to the corporation or their parents.. such a self serving corporation that uses it members for profits only and offer nothing in return no matter how much how much they claim otherwise.

  they can't hide this it is plain as day so no matter how much they claim they are concerned about the youth in the organization their action thunder loudly and can not be hiden under a basket.

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  DATA-DOG - The worst thing the WTBTS could ever imagine is an ex-JW Lawyer working for Zalkin. Can you even imagine?

  That would be cool. Or maybe one of their accountants...Can you imagine?
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  Mentally Diseased - is it partly our fault that we got this label?

  by cappytan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was thinking about this the other day.. a common way for apostates to "fade" is to pretend to have depression or anxiety problems.. is it possible, that when apostates become known, the elders report to the society that said person was undergoing mental health problems?

  i can see a scenario where the society then took those statistics that were reported and just decided, "well, it looks like the only ones leaving are those with mental diseases.".

  oh, and not to mention the subliminal messages conspiracy theorists.

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  Demonizing an enemy is one of the basic tenets of warfare - From Wikipedia - "Demonization is the oldest propaganda technique aimed to inspire hatred toward the enemy necessary to hurt them more easily, to preserve and mobilize allies and demoralize the enemy."

  They are not making a medical or psychological assessment. What this does is allow them to justify the treatment of the "other" (i.e. ex-JWs). On a side note, I never tried to "infect others" with my ideas. I kept my mouth shut about the JWs for over a decade. Once, they started the name-calling, all bets were off.
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  Governing Body Mandating That Parents Shun DF'd Preteens Baptized Children Will Hurt Them Big Time In The Courts

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  as the bad conduct of the governing body becomes widely known to both judge and jury i expect that will make lawsuits more profitable against them and easier wins against them and more plentiful.. i think probably one of the most damming videos out there on the net is the one where the parents show their loyalty to the wt corporation and shun their own flesh and blood in obedience to it cruel directives.

  this video truely shows that the governing body don't give a shit about the children who symbolize their dedication to the corporation or their parents.. such a self serving corporation that uses it members for profits only and offer nothing in return no matter how much how much they claim otherwise.

  they can't hide this it is plain as day so no matter how much they claim they are concerned about the youth in the organization their action thunder loudly and can not be hiden under a basket.

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  sir82 - At the very least, such videos should be shown in every child custody / divorce case where one parent is a JW and one is not.

  Good point.

  In a related topic - My brother (a JW) and his wife (a non-JW) were trying to adopt. They were turned down a number of times because the case worker determined that (a) having a mixed-belief marriage with a high-control religion creates a harmful environment and (b) the dangers of the JW doctrines (e.g. Blood Issue, Shunning) would be a potential harm to the child.