Posts by TheSilence

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Those on JWN still serving as elders...What if?

by Kensho in

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apostates undercover elders (i know there are some professed elders on here) have you ever handled a jc envoling a publisher viewing sites like jwn or others and who question the gb etc.. and if not what if you were assigned a jc involving apostacy?.

i would think this would be almost, if not an impossible situation.. kensho.

TheSilence

To summarize, he has no dilemna with sitting on a JC for apostacy because he feels they fall into 1 of 2 categories. 1. You said the wrong thing to the wrong person in which case he is going to throw you some softball questions to try to get you through it with a mimimum of consequence so he is actually creating a situation where it will effect you less than if he wasn't in an elder position to help you out. 2. You want to get a JC for apostacy to make a statement in which case he has no moral dilemna.

Now, I'm not saying I agree with everything he posted, but he did answer the original question beyond calling the guy an idiot, which is what you wanted and asked about... which is why I said he did, in fact, answer the original question.

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Those on JWN still serving as elders...What if?

by Kensho in

jw
friends

apostates undercover elders (i know there are some professed elders on here) have you ever handled a jc envoling a publisher viewing sites like jwn or others and who question the gb etc.. and if not what if you were assigned a jc involving apostacy?.

i would think this would be almost, if not an impossible situation.. kensho.

TheSilence

god im sleepy and KNOW better than to click on these threads... i KNOW better but did it anyway... so I will clarify my "idiot" remark and return to the land of slumber (i hope)

I say "idiot" because its so typical of people who storm out of the KH in a huff and think the rest of the world should follow them... not reality. And short sighted. It presupposes that there is only one way to handle the situation... YOUR way.

It also supposes that an elder cant say no to sitting on a JC. I have. and will continue. I have only sat on one since I learned the truth about the truth. It has some bearing here so I will relate some of it in a moment...

but bear in mind something: there are only two basic ways to end up in front of JC for "apostacy"... 1) becuase you accenditly say the wrong thing to the wrong person or 2) because you WANT to end up in front of a JC for apostacy so you can make a statement.

I will start with the case of 2 first... IF that is your desire... then why the hell would I care...? where is my moral delemia? Because someone wants to go out with a bang I'm supposed to lose sleep over it? You decided to sit in front of a JC so you can lay out your case for the org's wrong beliefs, knowing how it ends, you want to make a principled stand (in your mind) and that causes me a delima... How? How fun with that. I feel no guilt or hesitation... hell in the JC i will throw sofballs to help you make your case... but I wont feel guilt. At all.

as for situation 1.. thats a different. ANd I have been there. Long story short is that a friend of the family was hauled before a JC. was trying to fade. I ended up getting tapped to sit on it. I acceppted. I coached the person on what to say ahead of time. I threw softballs during the JC and pushed like mad for the result the person wanted, private reproof. Misssion accomplished. My family friend hasnt been back to the KH since, but can still have free contact with their dubbie family. A win by any reasonable persons definision. so again i ask... where is my delima?

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Those on JWN still serving as elders...What if?

by Kensho in

jw
friends

apostates undercover elders (i know there are some professed elders on here) have you ever handled a jc envoling a publisher viewing sites like jwn or others and who question the gb etc.. and if not what if you were assigned a jc involving apostacy?.

i would think this would be almost, if not an impossible situation.. kensho.

TheSilence

Or perhaps you didn't read every post he made in this thread. One moment and I'll copy the one I'm referring to.

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Those on JWN still serving as elders...What if?

by Kensho in

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friends

apostates undercover elders (i know there are some professed elders on here) have you ever handled a jc envoling a publisher viewing sites like jwn or others and who question the gb etc.. and if not what if you were assigned a jc involving apostacy?.

i would think this would be almost, if not an impossible situation.. kensho.

TheSilence

elderelite answered the original question.

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Those on JWN still serving as elders...What if?

by Kensho in

jw
friends

apostates undercover elders (i know there are some professed elders on here) have you ever handled a jc envoling a publisher viewing sites like jwn or others and who question the gb etc.. and if not what if you were assigned a jc involving apostacy?.

i would think this would be almost, if not an impossible situation.. kensho.

TheSilence

Such hypocrisy is amazing, and I honestly wonder how they sleep at night.

I left because I knew it wasn't the Truth, and it bothered my conscience to be part of that religion. So it's hard to see others who don't have the same values. And it's hard to respect them as people.

I could go on, but I'm not going to waste my breath on such hypocrites.

Hypocrisy is a pretty strong word in this instance, I think. They are being forced to choose between two wrong choices. Let's liken it to a fictional situation from Sophie's Choice: A mother is required to decide which of her two children will live and which will be murdered. She knows it is *not right* to be forced into such a situation. She knows that it is *not right* to choose the death of one of her children. Is she a hypocrite to make that choice and keep one alive instead of letting them both be murdered just because she knows it's wrong to be forced to choose? Because she was forced to choose between two wrong things does it make her a hypocrite for choosing the death of one child to save the other, even knowing it was wrong that either child would be murdered?

Stepping down from elder is not something everyone can just do without tipping their hand. So if that is the case being forced to choose between two wrong things is a hard place to be and we all make decisions for what is right for us in the moment: Pretend to be what you are not and believe what you do not (wrong) or lose all your family and friends, your entire support system (wrong). Being forced to choose between two wrong things is not always black and white. For some of us, yes, there is a black and white answer... but would I have walked away from the religion if I had children I would lose because of it... wow, that sounds wayyyyy harder to me and I can't tell you what my answer would be in that situation. Who am I to judge anyone who has different circumstances than mine? Does the moral platitude of 'always stand for what's right' sound great? Yeah, but life isn't always like that. Which is more wrong, pretending to believe so you can be there for family that needs you, or taking steps that you know will force them to turn their backs despite the fact that they need you? Would you feel like even if it was their choice to shun it still feels like abandoning them because you know going in what will happen?

How would you feel if I made these statements about you:

Such judgmentalism is amazing, and I honestly wonder how they sleep at night.

I don't judge those who make hard decisions because I've never walked in their shoes, and it bothered my conscience to judge people when it wasn't my place to do so. So it's hard to see others who don't have the same values. And it's hard to respect them as people.

I could go on, but I'm not going to waste my breath on such judgmental people.

I mean that's a pretty strong statement, don't you think? For simply having a different opinion or viewpoint? For having made different decisions? It's hard to respect them as people??? Wow, that's pretty strong.

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Where is YOUR evidence?????

by Night Owl in

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where is the evidence you were "wronged", "mistreated", dis-fellowshipped for no reason, blah, blah, blah.. some of you seem to want "evidence" to provide credibility to other's statements at times.. where is your evidence?.

nightowl.

TheSilence

It hasn't?!?! Damn.

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Are black people more emotional than white people

by barry in

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i see in churches in the states standing up in church dancing, clapping their hands and being quite emotional even in a church.

things which that wouldnt be acceptable in australia.. the link below also shows black sda ministers dressed in clergy style dress which is quite unusual for ministers here in australia.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yynbdm0unsw&feature=g-all&context=g2e791f1faaaaaaaamaas .

could any of my american friends inform me i showed it to my father who is a lay preacher and he was mistified as to what tradition this dress comes from but seems to be concentrated to th eblack community also?.

TheSilence

Indeed, I am. And I've been stuck in Ohio for 3 months thus far. ;) lol How have you been? I've always liked reading your viewpoints. :)

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Are black people more emotional than white people

by barry in

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friends

i see in churches in the states standing up in church dancing, clapping their hands and being quite emotional even in a church.

things which that wouldnt be acceptable in australia.. the link below also shows black sda ministers dressed in clergy style dress which is quite unusual for ministers here in australia.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yynbdm0unsw&feature=g-all&context=g2e791f1faaaaaaaamaas .

could any of my american friends inform me i showed it to my father who is a lay preacher and he was mistified as to what tradition this dress comes from but seems to be concentrated to th eblack community also?.

TheSilence

:::smile::: Hello, ohiocowboy.

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Dealing with elders during my mom's surgery

by noni1974 in

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my mother has been working forwell over a year to have a gastric bypass and she finally got the ok from her doctor and insurance.

the date is set for this coming friday.

although, i'm not 100% sure this will happen because she was diagnosed with pneumonia and a partially collapsed lung this past week.

TheSilence

Positive thoughts for you and your mom today.

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"erbie" thinks you miss the WT, do you ?

by Phizzy in

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the poster "erbie" on cedars shunning thread posited that really we "subcosciously miss the peace of mind and purpose we had as part of a world wide brotherhood" and that the elders or xelders on here "miss the authority of speech they had in the wt", so they have to post their thoughts on here as an outlet for their ego, is the implication.. discuss !!

!.

TheSilence

Peace of mind {God will kill you if you break any of these rules} and purpose {blindly serve an egomaniacal God who will kill innocent children and babies who never did anything wrong simply because they were born to parents who didn't believe the right thing} were not a part of my experience as a witness... maybe I was doing it wrong?