i sometimes think about the last names people had in the kingdom hall.....i wonder if anyone had the last name devil......."yes, sister devil"..........or something like that.
do you know of any?
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i sometimes think about the last names people had in the kingdom hall.....i wonder if anyone had the last name devil......."yes, sister devil"..........or something like that.. do you know of any?
i sometimes think about the last names people had in the kingdom hall.....i wonder if anyone had the last name devil......."yes, sister devil"..........or something like that.
do you know of any?
i was wondering, does anyone here know if there are any countries or states that would make it ilegal for a religious group to ex-communicate someone for voting or voting for a particular party?
over here, in aussie land, its up to your conscience to vote.....so they cant really disfellowship you for doing something that is up to your conscience by their rules
i know so many people, not just witnesses that are on zoloft or similar drugs.
i know of some that, once they left the "truth", stopped taking these meds and have not had to go back on them.
i know of some that, if they did not have them, would not be able to properly function......what about you?
i take 40 mg cipramil every day
anyone here have it and had surgery ?
doc says that is what is in store for me after having the cortisone shots that were worthless.
Yes, i know what you mean.....about how it hurts......when i had that hand therapy, it hurt so much when they first started i just about cried it was so painful..........sometimes at night, it would take ages for me to get to sleep because i couldnt find a comfortable position for my arms.
anyone here have it and had surgery ?
doc says that is what is in store for me after having the cortisone shots that were worthless.
I have tennis elbow or epicondylitis in both my elbows.
When it first happened, it was very painful for a long time. Now, it just aches all the time....i live with it.
Cortisone was offered to me but i refused because its not good for your body anyway....plus, as with you, it doesnt always work.
I havent had surgery and i probably wouldnt have it either. I got referred to someone that massaged the little lumps or glands that you can feel when pressing on my arms....specifically from the elbow to the hand.
I am not sure what you call those people that do that.....It wasnt a normal massage thing......she was a physician.,,,,,,she may have been called a hand therapist.
well, i have read the first few chapters of the latest edition and am surprised at what i read.. the bickering behind the society - how some decisions were not based on scriptural reference - the 607 date - and where the gentile times 1914 thing came about - the malawi/mexico business - ray franz has a very interesting story about the society/governing body amongst other things.. it seems that ever since he was there, he constantly came across things he didnt agree with.. the voting system that was set up to see what articles went in the magazines.. there was one bit in there about being "scriptually free to marry".
one sister caught her husband and an animal together....well..you know......and she divorced him.
she remarried but then told she wasnt free to scriptually marry and they disfellowshipped/dissassociated her.......how ridiculous is that.. and so the story goes........... i thought i would just put my bit in on the first section i have read...will write more when i have read more..
I got my copy from the local library....they got it from another library for me to read.
I have finished the book.
I am amazed at how well it was written. Ray Franz simply stated the facts as he knew it....from what happened to him.
He saw lots of things he didnt agree with. I was particularly stunned at the fact that when there was a vote, that certain ones would always vote the same way as some others in the group. If some voted no, they would vote no...if they voted yes, the others would automatically vote yes. The witnesses were always quick about the fact of disfellowshipping someone, for the simplest reason.. Why?
He got disfellowshipped for having one meal with a disfellowshipped person yet someone they were talking with had 2 meals with him and not one as the sister stated. Lying through their teeth to cover themselves.
What the head member of the governing body said, that was it.
I would say the book is definitely worth reading...its not an "apostate book" written by bad people as i would have originally thought if i was still going to the meetings.
Some of it is a little hard to understand, but the idea of it comes through. It doesnt instantly turn you away from the witnesses. Just opens your eyes up more to see what actually goes on that they dont tell you about.
Read it and judge for yourself. Thats what i did, and i am glad i read it. It just proved to me that things arent as perfect as some would believe
well, i have read the first few chapters of the latest edition and am surprised at what i read.. the bickering behind the society - how some decisions were not based on scriptural reference - the 607 date - and where the gentile times 1914 thing came about - the malawi/mexico business - ray franz has a very interesting story about the society/governing body amongst other things.. it seems that ever since he was there, he constantly came across things he didnt agree with.. the voting system that was set up to see what articles went in the magazines.. there was one bit in there about being "scriptually free to marry".
one sister caught her husband and an animal together....well..you know......and she divorced him.
she remarried but then told she wasnt free to scriptually marry and they disfellowshipped/dissassociated her.......how ridiculous is that.. and so the story goes........... i thought i would just put my bit in on the first section i have read...will write more when i have read more..
Well, i have read the first few chapters of the latest edition and am surprised at what i read.
The bickering behind the society - how some decisions were not based on scriptural reference - the 607 date - and where the gentile times 1914 thing came about - the malawi/mexico business - Ray Franz has a very interesting story about the society/governing body amongst other things.
It seems that ever since he was there, he constantly came across things he didnt agree with.
The voting system that was set up to see what articles went in the magazines.
There was one bit in there about being "scriptually free to marry". One sister caught her husband and an animal together....well..you know......and she divorced him. She remarried but then told she wasnt free to scriptually marry and they disfellowshipped/dissassociated her.......How ridiculous is that.
And so the story goes..........
I thought i would just put my bit in on the first section i have read...will write more when i have read more.
i have great news.
i've been contacted by the channel 9 sunday program.
they are interested in talking to as many people as possible about our experiences with the jw religion.
Great..wish i could be there......western australia is a bit far!
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i am going to the library in a day or two to pick up the book "crisis of conscience" they got in for me because i have read everyones opinions on the book....... i am not sure what to expect when i read it.......
I am going to the library in a day or two to pick up the book "Crisis of conscience" they got in for me because i have read everyones opinions on the book......
I am not sure what to expect when i read it.......
the kingdom hall where i used to go has the theocratic ministry school and service meetings on tuesday.
i have finally come to grips with my need to exit the jehovah's witnesses forever.
i told my parents today that i'm leaving the jw religion behind forever.
Decisions like that must be hard.
I just simply faded my way out, and that was hard enough to deal with. At the time it was due to more personal reasons and not because i didnt believe. But after a while, you start seeing grey areas, it isnt all black and white.
Hope it works out well for you.